Waren Lieberfarb comments on the HD format war.

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By SCOTT KIRSNERWas peace possible in the Blu-ray vs. HD DVD war?

In the world according to Warren Lieberfarb, the schism between the two next-generation disc formats shouldn't have happened.

Before standard-definition discs were introduced a decade ago, Lieberfarb, the former president of Warner Home Video, was instrumental in the negotiation of a truce between two rival groups promoting incompatible formats. This, of course, created billions of dollars in disc-sales revenue for the entertainment business and a healthy stream of royalty revenues for his parent company, Time Warner.

In Lieberfarb's view, the right aggressive moves could've prevented Blu-ray and HD DVD from befuddling consumers when those formats hit store shelves last year with two separate offerings.

Lieberfarb says he first sensed Blu-ray was gaining momentum in January 2002, at the annual Consumer Electronics Show, when tech concerns Matsushita and Philips joined forces with Sony.

"It was clear to me that a cartellike consortium was being created for the purpose of forcing a de facto standard on other manufacturers," Lieberfarb says.

Lieberfarb had hoped that all of the parties working on next-generation DVDs would continue collaborating on standards within the DVD Forum, a group that had been created in 1995 to foster discussions among studios and electronics makers.

Lieberfarb was so concerned about the activities of Sony, Matsushita and Philips that he asked Time Warner's outside antitrust counsel to explore strategies for getting the U.S. Dept. of Justice to launch an inquiry. But Time Warner had other priorities, and at the end of 2002 Lieberfarb was axed.

For their part, Blu-ray supporters take issue with Lieberfarb's characterizaton. "'Cartel' suggests that there's this combative exclusivity involved," says Andy Parsons, chair of the U.S. promotion committee of the Blu-ray Disc Assn. and an exec at Pioneer.

But Parsons acknowledges that "the three leading companies (Sony, Philips and Matsushita) did not have any particular interest in presenting the Blu-ray format through the DVD Forum. They believed they had something very different from the DVD format," with more storage capacity.

Since 2002, Lieberfarb has been a consultant to Microsoft and Toshiba, two members of the HD DVD camp.

He says that if the studios had been less focused on creating bulletproof copy-protection and more fixated on getting the discs into the market more quickly, the work being done on HD DVD within the DVD Forum would've proceeded more quickly.

And with that, HD DVD might have beaten Blu-ray to market by an even wider -- and perhaps definitive -- margin. (As it was, HD DVD rolled out in the spring of last year and Blu-ray during the summer.)

"The studios were in denial or ignorant as to when DVD was going to reach maturity and when the growth rates would significantly slow down," Lieberfarb says.

Though peace talks did take place between the Blu-ray and HD DVD camps, Lieberfarb says that "the negotiations never got beyond the preliminary stage."

Parsons agrees, noting, "The different physical structure of the discs meant someone had to give up everything."

One other reason for the mutual distrust: Given Microsoft's involvement with HD DVD, studios had concerns about the tech company dominating the so-called "digital living room," according to one studio homevid exec

Back in 1994-95, when the Warner/Toshiba-backed Super Density disc was fighting it out with Sony/Philips' Multimedia CD, notes Envisioneering Group senior analyst Richard Doherty, "The media were smart and savvy about goading the players toward an agreement. ... I don't think we've had that with the high-def discs."

Doherty says he tried to bring together HD DVD and Blu-ray supporters for a debate two years ago at the National Assn. of Broadcasters convention in Las Vegas. "Neither side seemed to want it," he notes.

Now that Blu-ray equipment is duking it out with HD DVD equipment in the market, Lieberfarb sees only one potential solution to the conflict: aggressive price discounting.

But consumers' confusion could prevent high-def discs from ever gaining the kind of foothold DVD has enjoyed.

"The longer these guys battle now, the more that Bill Gates, networked media, personal video recorders and satellite become the rival format to high-definition DVD," Doherty says. "Hard disc drives and fast network connections win in that scenario, not HD DVD or Blu-ray."

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http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963616.html
 
M$ and Toshiba's guys talk. Anyone surprised about the subject presentation and how big bad Sony is pushing everone else around. It almost makes me want to cry ----- not! This sounds like spilled milk.
 
Lieberfarb can at least point to his track record. Not so the BDA gang today.
At this year's CES (HD-DVD was already brocken and Blu-ray not) every BDA executive except Andy Parson believed this showed that BDA protection is better. BD+ and ROM-Mark weren't (and still aren't) implementet yet.

Lieberfarb, no matter how biased, is still smarter than this whole Sony & Co. bunch combined.

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Oh, I dunno - I think a little history is always interesting, and often useful. ;)

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A little history of the DVD, from Wikipedia:

In the early 1990s two high-density optical storage standards were being developed; one was the MultiMedia Compact Disc, backed by Philips and Sony, and the other was the Super Density disc, supported by Toshiba, Time-Warner, Matsushita Electric, Hitachi, Mitsubishi Electric, Pioneer, Thomson, and JVC. IBM's president, Lou Gerstner, acting as a matchmaker, led an effort to unite the two camps behind a single standard, anticipating a repeat of the costly videotape format war between VHS and Betamax in the 1980s.

Philips and Sony abandoned their MultiMedia Compact Disc and fully agreed upon Toshiba's SuperDensity Disc with only one modification, namely EFMPlus. EFMPlus was chosen as it has a great resilience against disc damage such as scratches and fingerprints. EFMPlus, created by Kees Immink, who also designed EFM, is 6% less efficient than the Toshiba code, which resulted in a capacity of 4.7 GB as opposed to the original 5 GB. The result was the DVD specification, finalized for the DVD movie player and DVD-ROM computer applications in December of 1995.[1] In May 1997, the DVD Consortium was replaced by the DVD Forum, which is open to all other companies.


OK, so even back then Sony had their "better idea" but, still smarting from their Betamax fiasco they yielded to the influence of IBM to agree on a unified format. The result - the most successful product ever for home entertainment. And the development of the DVD forum, the most broad based group of companies ever to guide future developments and standards for home entertainment.

But then came along the need for next generation high definition home entertainment. The DVD forum was the logical and best suited organization for guiding development of a single standard. But, there was just one little problem. As Sony and Phillips had developed and promoted the failed "MultiMedia Compact Disc" format for DVD, guess who owned the majority of patents and royalty rights for DVD? Well, it wasn't them.

Andy Parsons, chair of the U.S. promotion committee of the Blu-ray Disc Assn. acknowledges that "the three leading companies (Sony, Philips and Matsushita) did not have any particular interest in presenting the Blu-ray format through the DVD Forum. They believed they had something very different from the DVD format," with more storage capacity.

"Something very different"? :rolleyes:
Excuse me - it's the same plastic optical disk, just encoded / formatted in a different way. Both BD & HD DVD formats ended up supporting the same video codecs. Both formats support the same audio codecs, although some HD audio codecs are optional for BD. Blu-ray encoding on optical disks results in somewhat higher capacity. This could have been worked out, like it was for DVD. BD has higher bandwidth; again this could have been worked out. Besides, HD DVD has proven that the extra disk capacity & bandwidth are irrelevant when using more advanced video & audio codecs.

No, the BDA and Blu-ray format were created for two reasons - patent and royalty rights, and Sony arrogance - unhappy with being just one of many players in DVD, they insisted on being the lead player in DVD's successor.

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Yes, it certainly could have been avoided - if it weren't for corporate greed and arrogance.

I chose HD DVD because . . . . well, because it's as least a good a product as Blu-ray. And I'm not getting any younger; I want my HD content, and I want it now. But, I have a new found appreciation for those who post in these forums that they aren't buying either until there is one format. :hatsoff:
 
So it is okay for Toshiba to get all the royalties and certainly they are not greedy even if it was M$ that prevented them from an agreement over a new high def dvd format. But Sony is the devil for wanting the same thing that Toshiba has enjoyed the last 15 years? The corporate greed you are talking about and the arrogance should be leveled at both camps.

If Sony had agreeded to iHD then Toshiba would have never brought out HD-DVD and we would all be viewing BD. But Sony did not want to get into bed with M$ (as M$ has become a major competitor with Sony) and the BD camp decided to stick with Java for interactive features on BD. These are the real reasons we have two formats right now and why we will have two for the near future (at least till XMAS of 08).
 
So it is okay for Toshiba to get all the royalties and certainly they are not greedy even if it was M$ that prevented them from an agreement over a new high def dvd format. But Sony is the devil for wanting the same thing that Toshiba has enjoyed the last 15 years? The corporate greed you are talking about and the arrogance should be leveled at both camps.

Yes, while I prefer to think of Sony as greedier than Thou, greed knows no corporate boundaries. But I knew I could count on you to point that out. ;)

But, I believe that facts are clear: If Sony & Philips had presented Blu-ray to the DVD forum it would have been adopted - perhaps with some modifications such as the two competing DVD standards did - and we would have had one format and we would here discussing how wonderful our high def movies & players are instead of arguing over formats. But no, Sony & Philips insisted on wrestling power away and form their own trade group, BDA. :mad:

If Sony had agreed to iHD then Toshiba would have never brought out HD-DVD and we would all be viewing BD. But Sony did not want to get into bed with M$ (as M$ has become a major competitor with Sony) and the BD camp decided to stick with Java for interactive features on BD. These are the real reasons we have two formats right now and why we will have two for the near future (at least till XMAS of 08).

I'm not so sure if Sony had agreed to iHD Toshiba would not have brought out HD DVD. Blu-ray was never presented to the DVD Forum. Sony & partners were so sure they had something "new & better", they just formed their own trade group (BDA) and bypassed the DVD Forum completely. I doubt if even Sony didn't think Toshiba & the DVD Forum would try to keep the status & power quo and select an HD format backed by the DVD Forum. But I'm Sony was fully confident that with their partner support and the PS3, any HD format backed by the DVD Forum would never stand a chance. ;)

Interestingly, it was Disney that co-developed iHD (or HDi, I've seen it both ways). And you're right, Sony wanted no part of it. Sony & M$ really don't seem to like each other. I'm kinda surprised Sony hasn't tried to bring out their own OS or Linux for their line of PCs instead of Windows, but I guess even a company like Sony values sales over pride. :rolleyes:

But, M$ was fairly late in backing HD DVD. They already had their VC1 video codec adopted by both formats. They have little vested interest, they don't manufacture CE devices. (I assume they outsource the Xbox; I know Toshiba makes their "Zune iPod competitor and the HD DVD add-on for Xbox). MS backed HD DVD after Sony had announced PS3 would have a built in Blu-ray player. I've always suspected a motivating factor in M$ backing HD DVD was they thought if Blu-ray failed to dominate, the PS3 would falter and the Xbox dominate the game console market. And so far that strategy is playing out for them. MS rarely makes strategic mistakes. Bloated software susceptible to hacks, yes. Strategic blunders, no. ;)
 
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No current blu-ray player supports PIP.

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