Uncle Charlie :D this is how you can win me back

[goaliebob99]

Well, now that D* has hit pause and started to go in the tanker. Im seriously giving e* a look at being the provider of choice in the future. A few things are keeping me from switching back, so I'll give you an opportunity to address the isses that is keeping me from returning.

1. lack of full time RSNs.
2. Lack of MLB Extra Innings, and other sporting events (now might be the time to look at nascar hotpass)

Those are a few things that are dealbreakers right now. Im sure there are others that are out there, but those are the main ones, but in the mean time im watching..

 

[wassupTC]

Well, now that D* has hit pause and started to go in the tanker. Im seriously giving e* a look at being the provider of choice in the future. A few things are keeping me from switching back...

goaliebob, for the ignorant among us, namely me, how is it that D* is going in the tanker? I took a little gander over on the D* forums and saw some slow downs in terms of technology development, but I still see D* as being a better provider; mainly because they offer the channels that I'd like to have that E* currently does not offer.

Not necessarily an unbiased or well thought out perspective, but my perspective nonetheless...

 

[satjay]

I dont know if D is going into the tanker, but I am also someone looking to maybe make the move to Dish as well.

If possible could current Dish customers let me know if the future is bright, I look at changing providers as a major change ( I have been with D for seven years) and going through the change with new eqiupemt and all is a major change to me.

The main reason I am thinking about changing is am not going to re-up with sunday ticket next year, but again do current E folks see a bright future when it comes to there services?

 

[Juan]

D* is layin off They must have some spactacular 4th quarter numbers to be in panic mode!!

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

No I dont think the numbers are bad, I just think Liberty Media is squeezing the belt a little.

 

[lern4483]

Not always greener

D* is layin off They must have some spactacular 4th quarter numbers to be in panic mode!!

Take it from someone who has both systems and then some.

The grass is not always greener on the other side.

 

[tigerfan33]

Bob. Dish hopefully will be lighting up full time rsn next year.

I think you will be sol on the MLB deal though.

 

[Ronnie-]

Bob, it looks like you want them to become d*. I don't get it. if that's the case, all I can see you getting is a different dvr. Neither one of them are really doing anything groundbreaking at the moment

 

[riverdog]

The only thing that would get me to move would be Sunday Ticket - otherwise I'm enjoying my DISH

 

[Curtis0620]

Bob. Dish hopefully will be lighting up full time rsn next year.

I think you will be sol on the MLB deal though.

MLB Network also.

 

[gjh3260]

I am glad I stuck it out with E* (I wasnt so sure about 5 months ago). I really like the EHD for my 211. ($90 for the EHD and $40 one time activation....NO ADDITIONAL MONTHLY CHARGES). Although, like most others, I want more national HD but that will come "eventually" (aka soon).

 

[HDRoberts]

Well, now that D* has hit pause and started to go in the tanker. Im seriously giving e* a look at being the provider of choice in the future. A few things are keeping me from switching back, so I'll give you an opportunity to address the isses that is keeping me from returning.

1. lack of full time RSNs.
2. Lack of MLB Extra Innings, and other sporting events (now might be the time to look at nascar hotpass)

Those are a few things that are dealbreakers right now. Im sure there are others that are out there, but those are the main ones, but in the mean time im watching..

Interesting, that's a few of the things that might chase me away from Dish. Why? Full time HD RSNs and and other special HD sporting events are, to me, CONUS bandwidth wasters, and Dish doesn't have the bandwidth to spare. We all want out local RSNs in HD full time, but I don't think it's worth blowing 5+ TPs on (vs the 2 they use now on 129 and 61.5). I propose, where possible, placing RSNs on spotbeam. This frees up CONUS bandwidth and gives us our RSNs full time. However, that would preclude Dish from offering too many sports packs, as they could not simply remap RSN feeds for the whole country. Plus, it may be some time before there is sufficient spot capacity for such a move (and some larger RSNs probably would need to stay CONUS, like Big10)

As far as I'm concerned, Dish should cede the out of market sports audience to DirecTV. They should just try and make sure we can watch our local team's games in HD. Then focus on being the top provider in other forms of entertainment.

 

[CorpITGuy]

Yeah, I think MLBEI is never coming back. TRUE sports fanatics will have to become DirecTV customers. That's all there is to it.

 

[goaliebob99]

goaliebob, for the ignorant among us, namely me, how is it that D* is going in the tanker? I took a little gander over on the D* forums and saw some slow downs in terms of technology development, but I still see D* as being a better provider; mainly because they offer the channels that I'd like to have that E* currently does not offer.

Not necessarily an unbiased or well thought out perspective, but my perspective nonetheless...

D* is dropping programming IE Hotpass, They haven't really added a lick of National HD and the HD they have added is freaking PPV (like I need the 40 other PPV channels they already have) Programming prices are going up. They are freezing hiring and cutting most development on innovative products. To me that sends clear signals that 1) The company is preparing to try and sell off, or 2.) is being guided in the wrong direction, 3.) or, is preparing for a massive financial hemorrhage.

Let me put my economist hat on. While most company's are cost cutting, I see that the economy is in a upturn on its way to recovery. While bailouts are happening. we are past the bottom and are on our way up. Meaning that the stock market has begun its recovery, which typically happens about 6 months before it hits the economy. The shocks that you and I are feeling now are from 6 months ago and I expect the Dow will be over 10,000 in the next 6 months. with that said it means that you and I will have more money as economy will now be in an upturn, credit will be extended and jobs will be created. (thats going to happen in the next 3-6 months fueling the jump start in our economy. With that said, that means that D* and E* should be gearing up now for increased income as when that happens, more people will have disposable income and thus both providers will be competing over that disposable income. By not adding channels now and cutting the wrong developmental programs will cause the people to go to the other competition. With that said if E* could be a viable competitor by offering most of the same programming at a cheaper or almost same cost, they could gain momentum. With additional satellite launches, they could gain past the competition and become the number one satellite provider.

Bob, it looks like you want them to become d*. I don't get it. if that's the case, all I can see you getting is a different dvr. Neither one of them are really doing anything groundbreaking at the moment

Thats the point they should be doing something ground breaking. Thats the problem is that everyone is too scared to do something ground breaking, This is the perfect time to create the next google and do something so irresistible and ground breaking that people must have your ground breaking item. I think they need to be more competitive in the market making them an attractable alternative from D*, at this point they are up to a point, the items that I pointed out makes them even more attractive and add the DVR's, it could be a match made in heven.

 

[goaliebob99]

Interesting, that's a few of the things that might chase me away from Dish. Why? Full time HD RSNs and and other special HD sporting events are, to me, CONUS bandwidth wasters, and Dish doesn't have the bandwidth to spare. We all want out local RSNs in HD full time, but I don't think it's worth blowing 5+ TPs on (vs the 2 they use now on 129 and 61.5). I propose, where possible, placing RSNs on spotbeam. This frees up CONUS bandwidth and gives us our RSNs full time. However, that would preclude Dish from offering too many sports packs, as they could not simply remap RSN feeds for the whole country. Plus, it may be some time before there is sufficient spot capacity for such a move (and some larger RSNs probably would need to stay CONUS, like Big10)

As far as I'm concerned, Dish should cede the out of market sports audience to DirecTV. They should just try and make sure we can watch our local team's games in HD. Then focus on being the top provider in other forms of entertainment.

Think about it this way... D* has more HD at the point right now than D* does, they are braudcasting HD from two primary orbital locations, 99 and 103 and SD from 101. D* can offer full time HD rsn's, Full time Cable channels, and over 20 full time ppv channels in HD. (basically look at thier lineup)

Now, E* has 110,119,(minus the tp's that are leased to D* and its not that much) and 129. Over at EA they have 61.5 77 and 72.5. Now, with that said dish, offers almost the same packages minus Full time sports. They have double the compasity that D* has. I just dont see why they cant do it if D* can. The reason why I would like to see full time RSN's is the fact that there is more than games out ther on the RSN's that are in HD. Also, dish has been lacking in playing all the games in HD when they are on. Why not just add it, everyone gets their games and you dont have to worry about it. Lets not forget about 121 and 105 dish has in thier pocket if needed. The reason for sports programming is that it does make them more attractive to the masses.

 

[satjay]

sorry messed up the quote from goaliebob99

"Let me put my economist hat on. While most company's are cost cutting, I see that the economy is in a upturn on its way to recovery. While bailouts are happening. we are past the bottom and are on our way up. Meaning that the stock market has begun its recovery, which typically happens about 6 months before it hits the economy. The shocks that you and I are feeling now are from 6 months ago and I expect the Dow will be over 10,000 in the next 6 months. with that said it means that you and I will have more money as economy will now be in an upturn, credit will be extended and jobs will be created. (thats going to happen in the next 3-6 months fueling the jump start in our economy. With that said, that means that D* and E* should be gearing up now for increased income as when that happens, more people will have disposable income and thus both providers will be competing over that disposable income. By not adding channels now and cutting the wrong developmental programs will cause the people to go to the other competition. With that said if E* could be a viable competitor by offering most of the same programming at a cheaper or almost same cost, they could gain momentum. With additional satellite launches, they could gain past the competition and become the number one satellite provider. "




Wow I have not heard economic news like this in a long time. I really hope that things will be moving up, everyday (especially here in Michigan) it seems like we are not even close to the bottom???

You mentioned that E can be a player to challenge D, but will they and with todays news about D* tighting things up, do you really think they there are on there way down???

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

D* has more HD at the point right now than D* does

No way, when I look at D* it appears to me that D* has the same amount of HD as D* does.

 

[HDRoberts]

Think about it this way... D* has more HD at the point right now than D* does, they are braudcasting HD from two primary orbital locations, 99 and 103 and SD from 101. D* can offer full time HD rsn's, Full time Cable channels, and over 20 full time ppv channels in HD. (basically look at thier lineup)

Now, E* has 110,119,(minus the tp's that are leased to D* and its not that much) and 129. Over at EA they have 61.5 77 and 72.5. Now, with that said dish, offers almost the same packages minus Full time sports. They have double the compasity that D* has. I just dont see why they cant do it if D* can. The reason why I would like to see full time RSN's is the fact that there is more than games out ther on the RSN's that are in HD. Also, dish has been lacking in playing all the games in HD when they are on. Why not just add it, everyone gets their games and you dont have to worry about it. Lets not forget about 121 and 105 dish has in thier pocket if needed. The reason for sports programming is that it does make them more attractive to the masses.

I think the masses want their local team, not every team.

121 and 105 are not viable options. The Superdish used to pick them up was a failure as it was too big, and I don't think Dish wants to repoint that many people.

Dish only has 21 TPs at 119 and 29 at 110. They also don't have a full set at 77 and 72.7. They would probably have all 32 at 129 and 61.5, but TP failures have prevented that. On the other hand, DirecTV has all the capacity at each of its 3 locations, 99, 101, and 103.

Yes, I'm sure Dish could make the space. 3 more TPs and they would have us covered. But still, I'd rather see 21 national HD networks than 21 full time RSNs.

Dish should start sharing PPV space and maybe add another TP to improve their RSN coverage, but they don't need to make everything full time, in my opinion.

 

[kstuart]

Maybe when you get D* to spend thousands of dollars adding a worthless HD channel with almost no HD, by making D* secret information public, THEN things will be even and it would reasonable for you to move back to E*.

PS My local HD RSNs on E* always show all HD games that are scheduled on the HD RSN.

PPS Never take any action based on economic or financial speculation on Internet Forums.

 

[riffjim4069]

From where I stand, the only way E* could win me back is to pry my FiOS remote from my cold, dead fingers. Anyway, here are the minimum requirements for E* to win me back:

- Dish Network makes an industry best HD DVR...so this is big plus
- Get rid of HD-Lite. My FiOS TV has 102 pristine HD channels with another 15 more coming. E* needs to match quality and quantity
- Move customer services back the states (dealing with the Philippine call center is a painful experience)
- Stop yanking channels without warning in order to save customers money....we're not buying it
- Get rid of the nickle & dime fees (multiple DVR fees) and provide your high-end customers with "value" once again (D*, FiOS TV and U-Verse provide better value).
- Triple Play and bundled services (discounts) are killing you. FiOS, U-Verse, Cable, and even DirecTV through Telco parnerships are offered customers better value by bundling services
- Stop telling me I am leasing my three owned receivers (we went through the same interation every 6-months)...develop a system that accurately documents the customer profile

How about making a "Digital Cable Read" version of the VIP722 and you'll have FiOS TV and Cable customers lining up to buy them.