Tribune Broadcasting Company Blacks Out DISH Customers in 33 Markets;

[STDog]

Not been quite that long yet. Dish Network just launched in 1996 and DirecTV/USSB/DSS in 1994. Locals didn't come around until 1998-1999 and really into their own about 2001 or so when the first spot beam DBS birds came online.

Guess it just feels longer.
The EKB list says April 2004 for the market I was in, it shows the first 13 markets in 1998.
http://dishuser.org/sdlocalbydate.php

I don't recall ever having an antenna at that place from the time I moved in '99. I vaguely recall trying to watch a CFB game with rabbit ears once and that not working out.

But I have been a satellite only since 1995 or 96, once I got out of places that I couldn't put up a dish (and included cable as part of the rent/housing fee).
And I had satellite at my parents place from ~ '86. I remember when we finally got a motor for the dish and having to go out and crank to change satellites before that (lining up pencil marks on the jack), and the monthly issues of Orbit.

 

[Grandude]

Wow, 1000 posts and what a waste of forum space. Nothing is going to be decided here so why not
just wait till this kerfluffel is settled and NBC is back on the air for everyone and then post it.

 

[STDog]

I think it has always been that way too. Maybe some are not understanding how much the cost to providers have gone up due to locals. In the other site someone posted how locals only cost $5.99 so DISH is making so much money in the Flex Pack for the $10 locals charge. There is no way in ---- the cost to DISH and providers is that low and I'm not even including other costs besides payments to them.

From 2014: http://www.tvguide.com/news/analysis-why-cable-bill-high-1087747/

Fox-owned stations $1.01
CBS-owned stations $0.90
NBC-owned stations $0.87
ABC-owned stations $0.83

But that's based on every sub in the markets. If not everyone get them, then the cost per sub would be higher.

Same happens with the other media groups. They offer a lower per sub rate is all subs have access.
Same with all the cable stations, they offer lower rates if the station is on a lower tier so that the total number with access is higher.
A lot like volume discounts. It's a big part of the calculations when deciding what tier to put channels in.

 

[Tampa8]

Wow, 1000 posts and what a waste of forum space. Nothing is going to be decided here so why not
just wait till this kerfluffel is settled and NBC is back on the air for everyone and then post it.

It's what we do. Like Geico.

 

[Peter Parker]

I think a few posters here honestly think their posts here will change the world. One even told me as much over another issue. It is not that unusual. I sometimes go to another forum where one poster posts regularly about his outrage over low powered analog TV stations at Channel 6 effectively being radio stations. He is convinced he will inspire waves of angry letter to the FCC.

 

[STDog]

Are you really trying to compare Big Dish customers of almost 20 years ago to the close to 30 million small dish subscribers of today?

As I mentioned, people moved to DBS because it was simpler to install and cheaper. No more $1000+ hardware/installation costs.
No more HOA issues. Easier sighting with a fixed dish v/s needing a clear shot over a wide arc.

Those issues kept the big dish market smaller (I think cost being the primary factor). And multi-room setups are not very practical with a big dish.

I went to Dish in '97 when I left a house that had a C-band dish and rented a place where I couldn't put one, but I could install DBS.
Then in '99 I took the Dish setup with me. I could have put up a C-band dish then, but DBS did everything in a more convenient package.

I'm not saying that having locals didn't make Dish and DTV more viable back in the early 2000's, certainly it did.
But there was a market w/o locals. The same one that C-band started with and DBS took over, all be for locals were available.

 

[Troch77]

As I mentioned, people moved to DBS because it was simpler to install and cheaper. No more $1000+ hardware/installation costs.
No more HOA issues. Easier sighting with a fixed dish v/s needing a clear shot over a wide arc.

Those issues kept the big dish market smaller (I think cost being the primary factor). And multi-room setups are not very practical with a big dish.

I went to Dish in '97 when I left a house that had a C-band dish and rented a place where I couldn't put one, but I could install DBS.
Then in '99 I took the Dish setup with me. I could have put up a C-band dish then, but DBS did everything in a more convenient package.

I'm not saying that having locals didn't make Dish and DTV more viable back in the early 2000's, certainly it did.
But there was a market w/o locals. The same one that C-band started with and DBS took over, all be for locals were available.

You obviously never bought a Directv system in 1990s.

2 Rooms systems were over $1000 easy.

HOA ?
Are you kidding?

Satellite was made for rural customers.
Not the guy in NY city that lived in an apartment building...

The smaller dish, then later appealed to larger scale customers only once they started providing local channels in independent markets.

If Dish and DIRECTV didn't do this.
They would have flatlined.

Samsung Galaxy S6 Active

 

[HobbyTalk]

HOA ?
Are you kidding?

Satellite was made for rural customers.
Not the guy in NY city that lived in an apartment building...

Are YOU kidding? You must have never installed BUDs. Did it for over a year and we had many issues with HOAs in the burbs. That was until they finally passed the rules where they couldn't be restricted to only back yards and were allowed in side or front yards if there was no line of sight in the back yard.

 

[whoopy]

what channels are blacked out through DirectTv at the moment??

 

[STDog]

You obviously never bought a Directv system in 1990s.
2 Rooms systems were over $1000 easy.

True I didn't look at DTV much.
But my setup was ~$100 for the dish and 1st receiver (Model 3000) with new customer rebates.
That included a "self install kit" The second receiver was ~$200.
So I had ~$300 in my dual receiver setup.
I recall systems for ~$50 for new customers around that time too.

Here, from Feb 1999, new customer system for $30. The $100 system came with a dual LNBF.
https://web.archive.org/web/19990222021410/http://www.dishdepot.com/newpage1.htm
And 2nd receivers for $100
https://web.archive.org/web/19990222132203/http://www.dishdepot.com/newpage2.htm

So, 2 receiver setup for $200-$250, about a year after I got mine.

HOA ?
Are you kidding?

No, not at all. Lots of HOAs in suburbs prevented the installation of large dishes.
There were signal transparent covers for them to make them look like rocks or umbrellas because of HOA rules.

Satellite was made for rural customers.
Not the guy in NY city that lived in an apartment building...

Hard to install a ground pole in an apartments.
But there were prevalent in suburbs and smaller towns, not just rural areas.
I installed a bunch in Memphis the summer of '93. One a day, 5 days a week. Sometimes 2.


And it wasn't until '96 that the FCC regs said they had to allowed antennas (up to 1m) and further clarified in 1998 that it applied to satellite in FCC order 98-273 http://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/1998/fcc98273.pdf

 

[Joe Capitano]

(snip!) ...why not just wait till this kerfluffel is settled and NBC is back on the air for everyone and then post it.

It's not just NBC - and they're a very small part of the mess since there's only a couple of Tribune stations affiliated with the Peacock. FOX and CBS affiliates take up about half of the Tribune pie - there's one in my market. One guess only on what they'll start showing on the average Sunday afternoon in about a month. Yup, 'pointyball.' In fact, that Tribune station I've got also has the Seahawks/Chiefs game this Saturday afternoon and I won't see it Live unless a surprise is afoot. I have to wait for Sunday night's replay on NFLN (it'll get recorded on my Hopper).

Good thing I have an antenna pointing toward Vancouver BC, which means CTV BC gets my attention for most Sundays. Bless 'em.

 

[lfp302]

WRT my missing KDVR (Fox): Today, instead of the familiar tape-loop, Dish has a graphic inviting us to call their # to watch live coverage of our MLB Game

through FOX Deportes.

 

[Tampa8]

WRT my missing KDVR (Fox): Today, instead of the familiar tape-loop, Dish has a graphic inviting us to call their # to watch live coverage of our MLB Game

through FOX Deportes.

Interesting. I too see it. Guess nothing prevents DISH from giving someone Deportes if they want to to see the game.

 

[lfp302]

Must be a Baseball-Loop-Hole.

 

[Tampa8]

what channels are blacked out through DirectTv at the moment??

10 channels. Two from Sunbeam and 8 from Heartland Media.

 

[long_time_DNC]

Well, don't know if this is a sign of progress, but I just checked KCPQ (FOX affiliate) about an hour ago and they've got an MLB slate up with music playing instead of the negotiation video that's been playing for the past 2 months. The negotiation update video is still playing on the MyTV channel that Tribune owns (KJZO), which is channel 22 here. So, I'd like to think this is a sign of progress...

 

[Tampa8]

Well, don't know if this is a sign of progress, but I just checked KCPQ (FOX affiliate) about an hour ago and they've got an MLB slate up with music playing instead of the negotiation video that's been playing for the past 2 months. The negotiation update video is still playing on the MyTV channel that Tribune owns (KJZO), which is channel 22 here. So, I'd like to think this is a sign of progress...

Did you actually read what the slate says and our posts above. Not really a good sign.

 

[long_time_DNC]

Did you actually read what the slate says and our posts above. Not really a good sign.

Ah...didn't see post 1012...yep that's what the screen here says too...bummer...

 

[chiodo]

And the Dish Promise loop is back on @ KCPQ (Fox - Seattle) .... Too be continued .......................................................

 

[sam_gordon]

Except the question is that they are charging at all aside from how much.

In your opinion.

Outside of local newscasts, local stations offer nothing that's not available through other means.

Also your opinion. There are local stations across the country that offer local programming OTHER than newscasts.

And I really don't think the local news hosts are that important. Online venues offer more depth of coverage and again, you aren't coupled to the station schedule.

Good for you. MANY people would disagree with you.

Wow, 1000 posts and what a waste of forum space. Nothing is going to be decided here so why not
just wait till this kerfluffel is settled and NBC is back on the air for everyone and then post it.

As noted, it's not just NBC stations, in fact, they're a minority.

From 2014: http://www.tvguide.com/news/analysis-why-cable-bill-high-1087747/

Fox-owned stations $1.01
CBS-owned stations $0.90
NBC-owned stations $0.87
ABC-owned stations $0.83

hmm... a whopping $3.61. Nice to know what everyone is fighting for. Give up a single double mocha latte with foam once an month and you've more than made up the difference. Also, I'm assuming that's the costs for the O&O. What's the cost Tribune is asking for? Or Belo? Or Gray? Or Sinclair? Higher? Lower?

But that's based on every sub in the markets. If not everyone get them, then the cost per sub would be higher.

Same happens with the other media groups. They offer a lower per sub rate is all subs have access.
Same with all the cable stations, they offer lower rates if the station is on a lower tier so that the total number with access is higher.
A lot like volume discounts. It's a big part of the calculations when deciding what tier to put channels in.

Why do you make your assumptions sound like facts?

But there was a market w/o locals. The same one that C-band started with and DBS took over, all be for locals were available.

Of course there is a market for folks who don't want locals. I think it's an extremely small percentage of current DBS customers though. Most would dump sat and go to cable.

I just can't feel sorry for someone who makes the choice to purchase TV programming. With rare exception, MVPD is not required to watch TV, and contrary to what many believe, TV is not a necessity. IMO, it's like someone who complains about airline prices, but continues to fly. Don't like it, don't purchase it. Again, just my opinion.