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Please point out the facts where the VIP series of Dish receivers have been determined to infringe?

When Thomas22, who I respect for being knowledgeable and rational, lowers himself to the level of those few, it is a sign of how they are doing:)

But I'd like to think he was only being sarcastic.

Now my question is, what happened to the d$%^head avatar of that clown? Did he take it down somehow? Was he embarrassed by himself? If so he should change his username too like he used to do over at the other site every time he was banned:)

BTW, this is why Satguys is great, the mods do not get involved in the debate, unlike the mods over there, so eager to participate, yet if posters disagree, they are so eager to use their batons.
 
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Q MR. AARONSON, YOU THINK YOU RENDERED AN
INDEPENDENT OPINION. IS THAT CORRECT?

A OH, YES.

Q YOU KNEW FROM BEGINNING TO END THAT ECHOSTAR WANTED AN
OPINION THAT THEY DIDN’T INFRINGE BY THE CHANGES THAT THEY
WOULD MAKE LATER?

A THEY NEVER CAME OUT AND SAID WE WANT AN OPINION OF NON-
INFRINGEMENT. THEY ASKED ME TO –-

Q SIR, CAN YOU FAIRLY ANSWER THE QUESTION? DID YOU HAVE
THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD WANT A WRITTEN OPINION THAT
THEY DIDN’T INFRINGE?

A YES.
 
Q WHEN YOU WERE ASKED WHO YOU RELIED UPON AT ECHOSTAR IN
YOUR DEPOSITION, YOU NAMED A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. IS THAT
CORRECT?

A YES.

Q ONE WAS DAN MINNICK. IS THAT RIGHT?

A YES.

Q AND HE’S SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS THE OFFICIAL
ECHOSTAR REPRESENTATIVE ON LEGAL ISSUES TO TESTIFY ABOUT THE
LEGAL ISSUES IN THIS CASE, CORRECT?

A YES.

Q AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED JEFF BLUM, CORRECT?

A I DID.

Q AND A DAVID ST. JOHN-LARKIN, CORRECT?

A YES.

Q AND YOU MENTIONED NO OTHER PERSONS?

A THOSE ARE THE NAMES THAT I RECALLED.

Q WELL, YOU SAID THAT THE NAMES OF OTHER PEOPLE ARE IN THE
LETTERS, BUT THEY ARE NOT. IS THAT FAIR?

A YES.

Q SO WHEN ASKED TO NAME ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GAVE YOU
INFORMATION, YOU NAMED MR. MINNICK, THE FELLOW WHO WAS
DESIGNATED TO TESTIFY OFFICIALLY ON THE LEGAL ISSUES. JEFF
BLUM IS THE SECOND PERSON WHO IS IN CHARGE OF LITIGATION,
INCLUDING PATENT LITIGATION INCLUDING THIS CASE, CORRECT?

A RIGHT.

Q AND THE THIRD PERSON YOU RELIED UPON WHO TOLD YOU
INFORMATION BECAUSE HE DIDN’T READ THE SOURCE CODE WAS DAVID
ST. JOHN-LARKIN, AND HE IS A PATENT LAWYER, CORRECT?

A UH-HUH, YES.

Q IN-HOUSE AT ECHOSTAR?

A AT THE TIME, YES.

Q AND YOU RELIED ON WHAT EACH OF THOSE PERSONS TOLD YOU,
CORRECT?

A ALONG WITH SOME OTHERS, YES.

Q DO YOU KNOW WHAT A DESCRIPTOR COUNT IS?

A I DO NOT.

Q DO YOU KNOW WHAT A DESCRIPTOR IS?

A I DON’T THINK IT HAS A MEANING IN THE ART, SO I DON’T –-
I REALLY DON’T KNOW.

Q YOU DON’T KNOW WHETHER INFORMATION IS BEING COMMUNICATED
BETWEEN BROADCOM DRIVERS AND THE ECHOSTAR APPLICATION. IS
THAT CORRECT?

A IN THE FINAL IMPLEMENTATIONS?

Q CORRECT. LET’S START WITH THE FINAL IMPLEMENTATION.

A I DON’T KNOW HOW THE FINAL IMPLEMENTATIONS WERE ACTUALLY
IMPLEMENTED.

Q WELL, WHEN YOU WERE ASKED IN GENERAL, WITHOUT LIMITING IT
TO THE FINAL IMPLEMENTATION, IN YOUR DEPOSITION YOU SAID THAT
YOU JUST DIDN’T KNOW WHAT INFORMATION IS BEING COMMUNICATED
BETWEEN THE BROADCOM DRIVERS AND THE ECHOSTAR APPLICATION. IS
THAT CORRECT?

A AS WE –- AS I WROTE IN THE OPINION, IT WAS POINTER
VALUES.

Q I’M ASKING IF YOU CAN RECALL YOUR TESTIMONY FOR THE
MOMENT.

A I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S BEING COMMUNICATED, NO.
 
Here's a little snippet of Mr. Hillman's cross

Not being a lawyer, nor playing one on the internet, I get a laugh at this exchange between Morgan Chu, (who is a real lawyer, not a pretend internet lawyer with a speech impediment) and Mr. Hillman, who is the Senior Partner of Fish and Richardson.


Q NOW, YOU –- SINCE YOU RENDERED OPINIONS AFTER THE INITIAL
OPINION LETTERS, INDEED WE SAW ONE IN 2008, YOU DID NOT
ACTUALLY REVIEW THE ECHOSTAR PRODUCTS TO SEE IF THE PROPOSED
MODIFICATIONS WERE THE SAME AS WHAT WAS PROPOSED, CORRECT?

A YES, THAT WAS NOT OUR ASSIGNMENT.

Q YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT HAD YOU BEEN ASSIGNED
IT, CORRECT?

A YES.

Q WHAT IS NO-SYNC?

A I DON’T KNOW.

Q YOU’VE NEVER HEARD OF A COMMAND CALLED NO-SYNC?

A I’VE SEEN REFERENCES TO IT IN PREPARING FOR THESE –- FOR
THIS TESTIMONY, BUT I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.

Q YOU COULDN’T SAY WHAT FUNCTION IT RELATES TO?

A I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.

Q YOU HAVE NO IDEA?

A NO.

Q IF I ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMMUNICATIONS
BETWEEN THE BROADCOM DRIVERS ON ONE SIDE AND THE ECHOSTAR
APPLICATIONS TO GET THE BROADCOM CHIP TO WORK WITH THE REST OF
THE CIRCUITRY IN THE ECHOSTAR BOXES, IF I ASKED YOU SOME
QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE
TECHNICAL QUESTIONS?

A SOME.

Q IF I ASKED YOU WHETHER THERE IS COMMUNICATION BETWEEN A
WRITE_TSP_THREAD IN A BROADCOM DRIVER, WOULD THAT RING ANY
BELLS?

A YES, IT RINGS A BELL.

Q DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS?

A DO I KNOW WHAT WHAT IS?

Q WHAT JUST RANG A BELL WITH YOU, THAT PARTICULAR –-

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LOL!!! Is anyone here old enough to remember the old Abbot and Costello "Who's on first routine"? :D

This poor old man is in so far over his head he should be ashamed of himself for taking Charlie's money.

The "best and the brightest'!!! PRICELESS!!!!!
 
A little more of Charlie's "best and brightest"

Here Morgan Chu (the multimillion dollar lawyer who has no time to play one on a chat board), gets the poor senile old man from Fish and Richardson to admit that Charlie's other "best and brightest" expert opinion is the exact opposite of his and his firms "independent opinion"

LOL!!! You can't make this stuff up!! Charlie's "experts" can't even stick to the same lies.!!



A THAT SUBJECT RANG A BELL. I’M FAMILIAR WITH THE DEBATE
HERE ABOUT WHETHER THERE IS THAT COMMUNICATION AND WHAT WE
SAID IN THE OPINION LETTERS.

Q AND YOU STAND BY WHAT WAS SAID IN THE OPINION LETTERS ONE
HUNDRED PERCENT DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW DR. RHYNE’S
TESTIMONY ON THAT SUBJECT. IS THAT CORRECT?

A ABSOLUTELY.

Q AND YOU KNOW DR. RHYNE’S TESTIMONY ON THAT SUBJECT?

A YES, I DO.

Q THANK YOU. AND YOU WERE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS WHERE YOU
TESTIFIED ABOUT THE CIRCULAR BUFFER THAT WAS IN THE ECHOSTAR
PRODUCTS DURING THE JURY TRIAL, CORRECT?

A YOU MEAN I WAS ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS DURING MY
DEPOSITION? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO?

Q YES.

A YES, I BELIEVE SO.

Q AND THEN YOU WERE ALSO ASKED SOME QUESTIONS AND YOU
TESTIFIED ABOUT THE CIRCULAR BUFFER THAT WAS IN THE ECHOSTAR 1
PRODUCTS AFTER THEIR SUPPOSED DESIGN-AROUND. IS THAT CORRECT?

A LOOK, I KNOW I WAS ASKED ABOUT A CIRCULAR BUFFER. I
DON’T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE QUESTIONS WERE. YOU COULD
REFRESH MY MEMORY BY SHOWING THEM TO ME.

THE COURT: YOU HAVE YOUR DEPOSITION IN FRONT OF YOU,
MR. HILLMAN.

A DO I?

Q PAGE 25, LINE 22.

THE COURT: MAYBE YOU CAN SHOW IT ON THE SCREEN.

MR. CHU: YES.

THE COURT: IT MIGHT BE QUICKER FOR ALL OF US.

A YEAH.
 
One guy posts a non-stop monologue...

Now another guy posts a non-stop dialogue...

And what do all these wasted words add up too?

NOTHING!

And that about sums up the lastest round of discussion... :D
 
One guy posts a non-stop monologue...

Now another guy posts a non-stop dialogue...

And what do all these wasted words add up too?

NOTHING!

And that about sums up the lastest round of discussion... :D

Yea, well in all fairness I was just hanging around killing time waiting for you to post.

Thanks, my life has come full circle now.
 
Yea, well in all fairness I was just hanging around killing time waiting for you to post.

Thanks, my life has come full circle now.

It must be nice having time to kill while the rest of us have lives... lol... :D

Now seriously...what the heck was your point? Most of us don't have time to read all that drivel.

Same thing I tell Jac when he gets a little to wordy for his own good...

"whats your point?"

You see...its old school, pure and simple...anything that can't be said in a clear and concise way is not worth saying.
 
...Same thing I tell Jac when he gets a little to wordy for his own good...

"whats your point?"...

I thought after "having a life" for a while you would only come here for some new and fresh thoughts but nothing, so ask yourself the question, what's the point?

This thread has generated nearly 10,000 hits since I moved from the other site, why don't you stop hitting the read button on this thread to make your point? You are helping me too much:)
 
I made my point...you ignored my point...and than rambled on about things irrelevant to my point, in response to my point...hence my most recent point.

that you don't have a point. ;)

(BTW...Tivo/E* threads are notorious 'hit' magnets...lets not pretend we are special, ok?... ;) )
 
I made my point...you ignored my point...and than rambled on about things irrelevant to my point, in response to my point...hence my most recent point.

that you don't have a point. ;)

(BTW...Tivo/E* threads are notorious 'hit' magnets...lets not pretend we are special, ok?... ;) )

You made absolutely no new point since you left for your new life, usually when someone does have a good life, he would come back with some new and refreshing ideas, apparently that life did not make it happen for you.
 
You made absolutely no new point since you left for your new life, usually when someone does have a good life, he would come back with some new and refreshing ideas, apparently that life did not make it happen for you.

lol...why? you haven't addressed the old point, why bother with a new one? Casting pearls...you know the old saying...

Anyway, unlike some of us...I don't waste words. But I do repeat them to make certain they are heard.

So...any comment...my point is still out there... :rolleyes:
 
It must be nice having time to kill while the rest of us have lives... lol... :D/QUOTE]

You have no idea! Thanks for taking the time out of your busy life and coming back and setting me straight. I missed you so!

Now seriously...what the heck was your point? Most of us don't have time to read all that drivel.

But you obviously do. I'm glad it wasn't all for not. Thanks for being here for me. Seriously, I was beginning to think no one cared.
 
Seriously, how much longer is it going to take this Judge Folsom to issue a ruling on this matter? EchoStar is either in comtempt of court or they are not. If so, what are the penalties? This isn't rocket science. Heck, I think we put a man on the moon in less than nine years, which could be faster than it take Judge Folsom to conclude this case.
 
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STRANGE ERROR!!

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