TIVO vs E*

[vampz26]

Yep. I understand Vampz has a different opinion on what is right or wrong, or what did or didnt happen, but even if you dont agree with the courts, as far as anyone is concerned, thats what actually counts.

Edit: supreme court aside, as Vampz pointed out. That fact does not change the actual findings of the previous courts though

Well...considering i have probably more courtroom experience than most around here...you may need to give my opinion on the courts some merit...

Like I said, courts make mistakes all the time, and the appeals courts are almost always biased to the verdict from the previous case....at the end the day, there is a reason this nonsence is still going on...if it was as cut and dry as the Tivo trolls would like it to be, it would be over...

...and it isn't...

And I've already gave my prediction as too the outcome, so go ahead and read it if you like...its an earlier post...

 

[vampz26]

Maybe, but THOSE cases have NO bearing on THIS case. I think you are letting your previous experience play into your statements here. They are not the same thing.

There is no doubt that many lawyers are crooked, and spin things, its not like E* doesnt have any either. So what is true for one, might be true for the other when it comes to your statements.

I have a wide enough breadth of experience here to pretty much speak for any case...an have, and gotten paid for it too...which is why I generally don't contribute to the legal mumbo-jumbo around here. I've gotten paid to much in the past for my advice, than to go offering it on the internet for free...

All I'm doing now is correcting a fallacy...

 

[Ronnie-]

Well...considering i have probably more courtroom experience than most around here...you may need to give my opinion on the courts some merit...

Like I said, courts make mistakes all the time, and the appeals courts are almost always biased to the verdict from the previous case....at the end the day, there is a reason this nonsence is still going on...if it was as cut and dry as the Tivo trolls would like it to be, it would be over...

...and it isn't...

And I've already gave my prediction as too the outcome, so go ahead and read it if you like...its an earlier post...

Vampz, previous court experience does not in any way make your opinion any more fact than any other posters. You may have a unique viewpoint, sure, doesnt make it any more true than anyone elses. Again, all that counts (no matter what you think of the courts) is what has already been proven, and posted. SO until the appeals court actually says othewise.....

 

[Ronnie-]

I have a wide enough breadth of experience here to pretty much speak for any case...an have, and gotten paid for it too...which is why I generally don't contribute to the legal mumbo-jumbo around here. I've gotten paid to much in the past for my advice, than to go offering it on the internet for free...

All I'm doing know is correcting a fallacy...

Vampz. you may be speaking the absolute truth. This post here makes me doubt you for a few reasons though.

Good thing about a message board though is it doesnt matter if I believe you. Your opinion, and mine (or anyone elses) are equal, no matter what we might like to believe.

 

[Thomas22]

Look, we aren't talking about me here

I have a wide enough breadth of experience here to pretty much speak for any case...an have, and gotten paid for it too...which is why I generally don't contribute to the legal mumbo-jumbo around here. I've gotten paid to much in the past for my advice, than to go offering it on the internet for free...

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[vampz26]

Vampz, previous court experience does not in any way make your opinion any more fact than any other posters. You may have a unique viewpoint, sure, doesnt make it any more true than anyone elses. Again, all that counts (no matter what you think of the courts) is what has already been proven, and posted. SO until the appeals court actually says othewise.....

What has been proven? Other than others have opinions too?

 

[Ronnie-]

What has been proven? Other than others have opinions too?

Court decisions.

Dont get me wrong, most of what I post on here is my opinion only also. I wont hold you to a higher standard than me. Just dont act like yours is better than others because you dont like the courts. Thats all I ask

 

[vampz26]

Good thing about a message board though is it doesnt matter if I believe you. Your opinion, and mine (or anyone elses) are equal, no matter what we might like to believe.

I couldn't agree more, accept based on my understand of the courts...both professionally and personally as I've stated...I believe the judges opinons are equal to your opinion, and mine, and anyone elses as well...its just that they are capable of doing far more damage than either of us with thiers. But make no mistake about it, just because a judge says something, it does not necessary make it right. A judges opinion is just as open to criticism as anyone elses...

 

[vampz26]

Court decisions.

Dont get me wrong, most of what I post on here is my opinion only also. I wont hold you to a higher standard than me. Just dont act like yours is better than others because you dont like the courts. Thats all I ask

Court decisions don't prove anything...

not in the real world anyway...

 

[Ronnie-]

Yes vampz, those decisions are open to criticism. That is what makes america great. However, 20 years from now, those court decisions will still be considered fact under the law (as they are now), our opinions on them will be forgotten (in most cases anyway).

 

[Ronnie-]

Court decisions don't prove anything...

not in the real world anyway...

They dont prove it to YOU, they prove everything under the law. Agree with it or not.

 

[vampz26]

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Whatever...nice personal attack...

At the end of the day, at least I'm willing to put myself out there as something more than just another fanboy-troll frequenting the E* forum everytime there is a Tivo thread...

(I don't mean you, of course...I mean generally speaking...

 

[vampz26]

Yes vampz, those decisions are open to criticism. That is what makes america great. However, 20 years from now, those court decisions will still be considered fact under the law (as they are now), our opinions on them will be forgotten (in most cases anyway).

Read my prediction on the outcome please before you go speculating here?

No court decision is ever considered fact ever. Lawyers often research past cases to gauge insite into knew ones, but at no point is anything in either case ever considered a fact even under law. Its all about interpretation of the law and settling on a decision based on the interpretation...no facts accept for the concrete ones...

 

[vampz26]

They dont prove it to YOU, they prove everything under the law. Agree with it or not.

You know...with that attitude, if you were a lawyer, every single one of your clients would get the electric chair...

Nothing is ever 'proven', its only proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but any judge will tell you there is always a margin for error...

I don't now why that simple concept is so difficult to accept...unless you really badly NEED to believe a judge is perfect, but thats unrealistic. Even if you agree wtih him...

 

[Ronnie-]

Read my prediction on the outcome please before you go speculating here?

No court decision is ever considered fact ever. Lawyers often research past cases to gauge insite into knew ones, but at no point is anything in either case ever considered a fact even under law. Its all about interpretation of the law and settling on a decision based on the interpretation...no facts accept for the concrete ones...

Vampz, all I can go on is what you post. You say it isnt infringment, based on what? Your past experience. Right or wrong, I think it is a jaded opinion. But hey, it is yours. It still isnt fact, under what is judged by the law.

 

[Ronnie-]

You know...with that attitude, if you were a lawyer, every single one of your clients would get the electric chair...

Nothing is ever 'proven', its only proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but any judge will tell you there is always a margin for error...

I don't now why that simple concept is so difficult to accept...unless you really badly NEED to believe a judge is perfect, but thats unrealistic. Even if you agree wtih him...

Of cousre there is a margin of error, doesnt make it any less fact as far as the law is concerend. Good think we both arent lawyers

 

[Thomas22]

You know...with that attitude, if you were a lawyer, every single one of your clients would get the electric chair...

With that attitude all the executed prisoners would come back to life because...

And Dish would get their $105 million back because...

No court decision is ever considered fact ever.

 

[vampz26]

With that attitude all the executed prisoners would come back to life because...

I guess that would be better than putting an innocent man to death...permanently...

Yes...it does happen, sad to say...no joke. Courts are sometimes wrong I'm afraid...as your silly analogy illustrates...

(you know...you really aren't helping your case any...)

 

[vampz26]

Vampz, all I can go on is what you post. You say it isnt infringment, based on what? Your past experience. Right or wrong, I think it is a jaded opinion. But hey, it is yours. It still isnt fact, under what is judged by the law.

I say it isn't infridgement just because some other guy says it is...no matter who that guy is...

You can't use one opinion to support another and just declare it a fact, its as simple as that...

What a judge says is just another 'opinion' no matter how you spin it...

 

[vampz26]

Of cousre there is a margin of error, doesnt make it any less fact as far as the law is concerend. Good think we both arent lawyers

Well...its definitely a good thing YOU aren't a lawyer...at least my clients would have a fighting chance...