Sony Bravia TV's

[navychop]

I presume you mean that a 720p signal has nearly twice the frame of a 480 signal, not 1080i. You are right as it is a bit higher, by 240 frames, about 1/2 more in reality. But it is a lot closer to 480 than going to 1080. As I mentioned by old Toshiba 480' EDTV CRT looks the best in SD, but not by that much via the Toshiba 720. I notice that some of the networks only broadcast in 720 at this point anyway, ABC, FOX, & MYTV. The rest are in 1080.

No. 720 is progressive. Every line in every frame is painted in every pass. In 1080i, it is interlaced. Only one field, every other line, is painted per pass.

In theory, 720p, or almost any progressive image, is better for motion, such as sports. In reality, many other factors weigh in and can skew the results. That is why we’d love to see 1080p.

Now, flat screens do not actually skip a line of resolution each pass. That Rube Goldberg idea came about to compensate for the limitations of technology at the time. And CRTs made good use of persistence of vision.

The flat screen takes the interlaced signal and makes it progressive, with varying degrees of success.

I have had mixed results with Sony equipment I’ve bought in the past. So I was VERY careful in reviewing different brands and models. When it came down to it, the LG OLED was hands down the best. But OLED does not seem to be the panacea we all expected. It just hasn’t matured fast enough. And it certainly will have a shorter lifespan. It might never deliver the promised perfection at a low ink jet produced price. Other technologies are moving up fast.

Next was the Sony 900 series, not cheap, but way less than the LG OLED.

BTW, smaller screens just “appear” to have higher resolution.

 

[mwdxer1]

$600 isn't too bad. I'll look at those a bit later as we do not have a Best Buy here either. Nearest in Longview WA or Hillsboro OR

 

[harshness]

Then I presume a Sony 800 series set with a smaller screen would still perform as well as a bigger screen, being the same series?

The testing sites suggest that's not the case. This is why it is important that you audition the model and size that you want in person.

The smaller TVs have fewer zones in their FALD backlights.

 

[arlo]

No. 720 is progressive. Every line in every frame is painted in every pass. In 1080i, it is interlaced. Only one field, every other line, is painted per pass.

In theory, 720p, or almost any progressive image, is better for motion, such as sports. In reality, many other factors weigh in and can skew the results. That is why we’d love to see 1080p.

Now, flat screens do not actually skip a line of resolution each pass. That Rube Goldberg idea came about to compensate for the limitations of technology at the time. And CRTs made good use of persistence of vision.

The flat screen takes the interlaced signal and makes it progressive, with varying degrees of success.

I have had mixed results with Sony equipment I’ve bought in the past. So I was VERY careful in reviewing different brands and models. When it came down to it, the LG OLED was hands down the best. But OLED does not seem to be the panacea we all expected. It just hasn’t matured fast enough. And it certainly will have a shorter lifespan. It might never deliver the promised perfection at a low ink jet produced price. Other technologies are moving up fast.

Next was the Sony 900 series, not cheap, but way less than the LG OLED.

BTW, smaller screens just “appear” to have higher resolution.

OLED tech still "scares" me. I'd hate to have a screen bork on me a short while after warranty runs out. Which on TV's seems all too soon. I'm a little divided too on the guys with 6 bills budget but want 2 grand performance. Besides being a Sony fan for many years. Even after getting stung with a projection model that went green-screen for which it wasn't elligible for the class action repair (fixed it myself). I still believe in them. Square Trade is still a good idea though.
After weighing in-store comparisons between the good models, one thing that does matter is how feature rich the menu is.
Samsung and LG kind of looked like toys to me. Leaving me with the where's it at, what about this factor.
One bad/good experience while Sony was offering firmware updates to address sound and Dolby Vision issues (which eventually did get fixed damn good) was because firmware cant be downgraded, they offered to ship a replacement next day.
That was the day I boxed the 900E up and did the drive to exchange it for my XBR930E.
That one also prompted for a firmware update and a tech support call had them offering a shipped replacement.
Fortunately the next 2 updates (in short order) got it all running very nicely. I'm not very patient sometimes.

 

[harshness]

After weighing in-store comparisons between the good models, one thing that does matter is how feature rich the menu is.

Which "menu" are you referring to?

 

[krynn]

I have never owned a Samsung, but I do know that Watmart carries basically cheap TVs. Price is their thing.
Years ago a friend bought a top of the line Mitsubishi TV set. I have no idea if their pq is as good as Sony. I do know he spent a lot for it. It was his first big screen TV.

i have never owned sammy t.v.s. i had one of there giga sytems and it was crap... wal mart carries only basic t.v.s as like you said price is there thing!!! back in the day i used to buy mitsubushi t.v.s the PQ was awsome on them and i used to buy the sony trinitrons i still have my 36 inch set in my closet. i am gonna hate to move that thing since it takes 3 people to move it and it still works great. we bought a couple of sony 88 inch OLED'S and there amazing the PQ on them is awsome DTV HD looks as good as 4K i can't tell the difference!!! and SD looks as good as 1080P!!! but were talking more than you would want to spend on a t.v. were speaking car payments.. i bought a cheap 65 INCH TCL at wally world and the PQ on that is awsome to. i would put it up against my OLED sets SD looks good to. we just bought a house and it has a media room with a 550 inch screen it will be interesting to see how that handles DTV. though if your running a VCR to the set i have no clue how that would look.. the more the set costs the more ways it will have to deal with all of these things.. another thing to think about is. sets are coming out with higher resoloutions and when i watch SD i find that i am straining my eyes!!!

never demo a t.v. in the store!!! take it home and demo it!!!

 

[arlo]

Which "menu" are you referring to?

Really?

 

[harshness]

Really?

Yes, really. That's like going to a fancy restaurant and asking for a menu: they might ask if you want a wine list, and appetizer menu, a dinner menu or a dessert menu. They're all separate documents for distinct parts of the experience.

Modern Sony smart TVs use an Android-based menu system.

Are you talking about the general navigation (choosing inputs, channels, streaming services), the TV's settings menu or perhaps the technician's configuration stuff?

 

[Jimbo]

OLED tech still "scares" me. I'd hate to have a screen bork on me a short while after warranty runs out. Which on TV's seems all too soon. I'm a little divided too on the guys with 6 bills budget but want 2 grand performance. Besides being a Sony fan for many years. Even after getting stung with a projection model that went green-screen for which it wasn't elligible for the class action repair (fixed it myself). I still believe in them. Square Trade is still a good idea though.
After weighing in-store comparisons between the good models, one thing that does matter is how feature rich the menu is.
Samsung and LG kind of looked like toys to me. Leaving me with the where's it at, what about this factor.
One bad/good experience while Sony was offering firmware updates to address sound and Dolby Vision issues (which eventually did get fixed damn good) was because firmware cant be downgraded, they offered to ship a replacement next day.
That was the day I boxed the 900E up and did the drive to exchange it for my XBR930E.
That one also prompted for a firmware update and a tech support call had them offering a shipped replacement.
Fortunately the next 2 updates (in short order) got it all running very nicely. I'm not very patient sometimes.

Not sure why OLED should Scare you ...
Every new technology has the same issues, ya either do as much homework as you can about it and then decide if you want it, or you skip it.

The TV I had and still runs great to this day, last was a 60" Pioneer Elite Plasma .... it was the top of the Plasmas.

I went that route when the Sonys were struggling with not sure what they wanted to do ... it use to be Sony was Tops, they made a few TVs, maybe 3 or 4 and did it right ...
Then a time came say 10-15 years back when they decided they would do better with 7 or 8 TV's out there ... they were lost, the quality was gone and thier Standards dropped, at that time ...

Since then in the last 3-4 years, Sony has gotten back to thier former self.
Thier Quality is back ....

Once again, like with all TVs, you have to look at what series your talking about ... I'm now talking about thier Top line sets ...

 

[arlo]

Yes, really. That's like going to a fancy restaurant and asking for a menu: they might ask if you want a wine list, and appetizer menu, a dinner menu or a dessert menu. They're all separate documents for distinct parts of the experience.

Modern Sony smart TVs use an Android-based menu system.

Are you talking about the general navigation (choosing inputs, channels, streaming services), the TV's settings menu or perhaps the technician's configuration stuff?

yeah

 

[krynn]

yeah

we have a couple of OLED sony's there a few years old and still going strong. no issues with them not even with inmar. we bought there very top of line from there master series as we paid 10k a pop for each t.v.. though for what we paid for em i hope they out live me . the 88 inch isn't even in sony's lineup any more.. so why does OLED scare you??? i would avoid LG at all cost. my experience with LG has not been good at all.. DTV looks amazing on the sony's. i had a friend over and she had no clue what 4K is. so i popped a movie in and she was blown off her seat during the entire movie. she felt like she was a part of it!!!

 

[Jimbo]

we have a couple of OLED sony's there a few years old and still going strong. no issues with them not even with inmar. we bought there very top of line from there master series as we paid 10k a pop for each t.v.. though for what we paid for em i hope they out live me . the 88 inch isn't even in sony's lineup any more.. so why does OLED scare you??? i would avoid LG at all cost. my experience with LG has not been good at all.. DTV looks amazing on the sony's. i had a friend over and she had no clue what 4K is. so i popped a movie in and she was blown off her seat during the entire movie. she felt like she was a part of it!!!

What movie was that ?

 

[krynn]

What movie was that ?

skyscraper

 

[Jimbo]

skyscraper

By chance, is that on Netflix ? (in 4K)

 

[Jimbo]

By chance, is that on Netflix ? (in 4K)

Doesn't look like its on Netflix ...

It seems that everytime I find a movie or show I want to watch, its not on a Streaming service with out and extra cost involved .... which defeats the purpose of already subbing to a service, I'm not paying TWICE to see the show .... (I did break down and pay twice to see Picard)

After reading the info about the movie, I think I have seen it already, very good, but I seen it ...
Always like The Rock !

 

[krynn]

By chance, is that on Netflix ? (in 4K)

i dunno i have the blu ray

Robot or human?

 

[krynn]

Doesn't look like its on Netflix ...

It seems that everytime I find a movie or show I want to watch, its not on a Streaming service with out and extra cost involved .... which defeats the purpose of already subbing to a service, I'm not paying TWICE to see the show .... (I did break down and pay twice to see Picard)

After reading the info about the movie, I think I have seen it already, very good, but I seen it ...
Always like The Rock !

you wanna laugh harder i paid double for it

 

[arlo]

we have a couple of OLED sony's there a few years old and still going strong. no issues with them not even with inmar. we bought there very top of line from there master series as we paid 10k a pop for each t.v.. though for what we paid for em i hope they out live me . the 88 inch isn't even in sony's lineup any more.. so why does OLED scare you??? i would avoid LG at all cost. my experience with LG has not been good at all.. DTV looks amazing on the sony's. i had a friend over and she had no clue what 4K is. so i popped a movie in and she was blown off her seat during the entire movie. she felt like she was a part of it!!!

oh. probably just because of the issues oled tech displayed early in their life. it's been a few years in development and i'm glad you've had great luck. kind of like the one bad apple thing. led displays came out and all you heard about them was bad pixels.
personally i've yet to have a dead pixel on any of my displays. so pardon my fraidy-cat comment. lets see how deep harshy wants to dig a finger nail in this ribs of this one.

 

[Jimbo]

oh. probably just because of the issues oled tech displayed early in their life. it's been a few years in development and i'm glad you've had great luck. kind of like the one bad apple thing. led displays came out and all you heard about them was bad pixels.
personally i've yet to have a dead pixel on any of my displays. so pardon my fraidy-cat comment. lets see how deep harshy wants to dig a finger nail in this ribs of this one.

I too have a Sony 65" OLED and LOVE it, its awesome and I expect it to work for at least 10-15 years .... looking just as good as it does/ did the day I got it.

I will say, I didn't get the 1st generation, that was the A1, I got the A8 version.
I looked and talked with my buddies at my High End A/V shop for the time it came out till the next generation came out before I pulled the trigger, reason being is my Pioneer Elite was still looking awesome, even though it didn't do 4K.

The 4k bug is what got me interested in the OLED's.

 

[krynn]

oh. probably just because of the issues oled tech displayed early in their life. it's been a few years in development and i'm glad you've had great luck. kind of like the one bad apple thing. led displays came out and all you heard about them was bad pixels.
personally i've yet to have a dead pixel on any of my displays. so pardon my fraidy-cat comment. lets see how deep harshy wants to dig a finger nail in this ribs of this one.

we love our 88 inch sony OLEDS. if they burnt out id'e have a stroke LOL. it seems there's less sets coming out with dead pixels another thing was is they needed to be calibrated that was a big thing at one time as well!! but no more. ive never had a display with pad pixels on it... the TCL i bought for my den is amazing for a cheap off brand i would put it up against one my our sony OLED'S. sony don't even offer an 88 inch OLED no more.. i'll prob retire one of them since we bought a new home with a media room with a 550 inch screen that's where i'll be..