Signal Strength on 129 (Dish 1000 and Dish 1000.2 only)

[rockandchelle]

Ok, here are my updated numbers from tonight. It is a little overcast here, so I am not sure if that is affecting them or not, but they are lower than last time...so that is somewhat disappointing.

Dish Type: Dish 1000.2
Receiver Model: 622
Date: March 15, 2007
Location: Warner Robins, GA
TP 6 59
TP 11 62
TP 19 89
TP 22 63
TP 23 78
TP 27 77
TP 30 87
TP 31 93

TP 11 117 for 119 and 97 for 110.

 

[rthomp03]

ViP 622 and Dish 1000
St. Louis, Missouri area at 10:10CDT March 15

TP 6 77
TP 11 81
TP 19 93
TP 22 63
TP 23 80
TP 27 79
TP 30 83
TP 31 93

119 TP 11 99
110 TP 11 93

 

[RandallA]

Thank you rthomp03, we needed to see readings from MO.

 

[TalonDancer]

...So far ralfyguy, miked-c05, and rockandchelle have pretty much the highest. They are located in GA, OK and TX, so I'm willing to bet that people in AR, MS, TN, LA, and AL have similar readings.

Now we need to find out how far north these good readings go. We need reports from KY, MO, and KS and maybe south IL and IN. Everybody else is SOL with 129 and you'll need a bigger dish to get decent signals.

If I understand the geometry of the signal path from the satellites, to the dish and transponders, there is only ONE location in the US where a Dish 1000 is "optimal" for all three satellites. At every other location the signal is degraded by errors in the signal path for one or more satellites.

As you have noted the data so far seems to confirm that -- the Dish 1000 is designed to work best somewhere in middle america, at a moderate latitude (e.g. Kansas City or Dallas).

Talon Dancer

 

[RandallA]

"As you have noted the data so far seems to confirm that -- the Dish 1000 is designed to work best somewhere in middle america, at a moderate latitude (e.g. Kansas City or Dallas). "

That's exactly what I'm trying to prove. I believe that E* compensates the degraded signal in the other areas by raising the power level on the TPs but since 129 is on limited power they can't do that.

 

[MikeD-C05]

I wish that they would go ahead and launch a new sat or move one to the place of 129 so these problems would go away for everyone. I don't know why they don't just mirror the hd channels to the 148 satellite instead. They have international channels over the 148,61.5 ,105,121 118 satellites so I think that they could do the same with the hd channels and fix the problems for the western half of the country. At least till they can launch a new sat up to 129 to fix this one and for all. There is simply no reason why they can't do this since the 148 sat is not doing much of anything in regards to locals or hd . They are doing 2 dish installs for the western half of the country anyway why not just make them a 148 install instead of a 129 install?

 

[FitzAusTex]

I'm posting info for a 1000+ because, although my numbers for 129 seem decent, it seems to be at the expense of good readings on 110 and 119. Anyone else think that a 63 on TP11 for 119 is a bad situation? I had the installers tweak the dish a few weeks ago, because of fade on 129. The rough weather we got in Texas on Sunday night pretty much took 110 and 119 out for a few hours, and even 129 quite a bit...Guess i'll have to play with it myself...

Dish Type: Dish 1000+
Receiver Model: 622
Date: March 13, 2007 (fairly overcast day)
Location: Austin, TX
TP 6 77
TP 11 81
TP 19 96
TP 22 83
TP 23 88
TP 27 86
TP 30 92
TP 31 99

TP 11 63 for 119 and 86 for 110.

 

[RandallA]

You have really good readings on 129 but crappy on 119. I would sacrifice a little bit on 129 to get better readings on 119.

Edit: After thinking about this, I never been able to adjust 119 since it's the one in the middle of the dish. I've seen 110 or 129 drop or go up but 119 is pretty much at the same level. Except of course if you make an extreme adjustment. Is the low readings on 119 on all transponders?

 

[RoyW]

I wish that they would go ahead and launch a new sat or move one to the place of 129 so these problems would go away for everyone. I don't know why they don't just mirror the hd channels to the 148 satellite instead. They have international channels over the 148,61.5 ,105,121 118 satellites so I think that they could do the same with the hd channels and fix the problems for the western half of the country. At least till they can launch a new sat up to 129 to fix this one and for all. There is simply no reason why they can't do this since the 148 sat is not doing much of anything in regards to locals or hd . They are doing 2 dish installs for the western half of the country anyway why not just make them a 148 install instead of a 129 install?

MikeD I'm in total agreement with you on mirroring the HD feeds off 148 for the west coast. As a subscriber to one of the International channels I of course have a dish pointing at 148. When I started thinking about going HD I foolishly thought that since 61.5 has the mirrored HD content that it would also be on 148 and was surprised to find out it wasn't.

 

[RandallA]

I'd be happy with having the HD channels at 148.

 

[MikeD-C05]

You would think that if we could think of mirroring the hd channels on 148 as well as 129 & 61.5 , that Dish would think of it too. What else do they need 148 for except a few locals , mirrors of some internationals and testing channels? It makes sense to do this until they can get the 129 sat replaced in two more years. Wouldn't that be better for their customers in the western half of the country that are having so much problems with hd reception? They could even use it for hd locals as well and expand their hd locals count. People could use either a side sat to 61.5 , 148 or 129 . It should take care of all problems for the whole country till they can replace the wobbly sat at 129 in two years.

 

[dude2]

Off my two dish system 1000 for 110 and 119, and old dish 300 for 129 I am right now getting 92 on tp 31. Havent had any rain fade or snow fade since we went to the seperate dish 300 for 129. Before with 129 coming off of the 1000 I was lucky to get in the 80's on 31 but it got down in the 40's on weaker tps. Rain fade was always there on 129 with solo 1000.00

 

[SmityWhity]

Mirrowing HD on 148.

I guess it's long range planning. If they were to put HD on 148 as a temp fix, then when they went to remove them in the future, they would have a lot of service calls to re-align from 148 to 129.

Maybe swapping those two sat's around would be better, but I'm sure they couldn't do it in a couple of hours.

 

[DAVEGTESTR]

2 Years?

2 years for a fix on 129? This has been going on a long time. No wonder I see a lot of D* around here. I was hoping for a new satellite later this year or early next...
Course if E* doesn't get local RSN's in HD, I'll be gone by next baseball season anyway. Love the 622, hate the 129 dropouts, though not too bad of late. I get about a 61 signal strength on 129 TP27.

 

[RandallA]

Mirrowing HD on 148.

I guess it's long range planning. If they were to put HD on 148 as a temp fix, then when they went to remove them in the future, they would have a lot of service calls to re-align from 148 to 129.

Maybe swapping those two sat's around would be better, but I'm sure they couldn't do it in a couple of hours.

You're right Smity! Now it's too late to make the change. Here in the Bay Area they were installing two dishes because there were some locals on 148 but because of the law E* had to have locals on a single dish so now they don't install them anymore.

They could've mirrored the HD channels back then when they had locals on 148 and then just move the locals to 110. Everyone would've been ready since the 148 dish was already there. It's my understanding that there were a lot of locals for the West coast on 148.

Oh well, now to wait a couple of years. "The new satellite for 129 will come very soon!" So in E*'s time that's about 2 years.

 

[digiblur]

Mirrowing HD on 148.

I guess it's long range planning. If they were to put HD on 148 as a temp fix, then when they went to remove them in the future, they would have a lot of service calls to re-align from 148 to 129.

Ding ding ding ding.... we have a winner.

 

[abricko]

Dish Type: Dish 1000
Receiver Model: 622
Location: Lakewood, CA
TP 6 56
TP 11 50
TP 19 63
TP 22 57
TP 23 52
TP 27 52
TP 30 83
TP 31 82

TP 11 97 for 119 and 82 for 110

I don't understand how some of those TPs can be so low while others are great (30 & 31) I'm beginning to wonder if I should get E* out here to try and fix those low TPs.

I'd be happy with 61.5 mirroring our HD-LILs, When I had put up a second test dish and just pointed it in the general direction of 61.5 I had amazing strength but lost my HDLILs. Seems like you can't win in this situation unless you want to put up a 30" monster!

 

[RandallA]

"I don't understand how some of those TPs can be so low while others are great (30 & 31) I'm beginning to wonder if I should get E* out here to try and fix those low TPs."

Some TPs are running at full power, others at reduced power to conserve power. E5 is in such bad shape that they can't run all TPs at full power.

 

[abricko]

so you think my lows are normal (enough) then to keep as is?

 

[RoyW]

so you think my lows are normal (enough) then to keep as is?

I'm about a 110 miles south of you and if you check back you'll notice my readings aren't all that much better then yours and I'm using the newer dish 1000.2. To be fair I don't have a 622 yet and took the readings with a 625 but that shouldn't make an ounce of difference. You might be able to tweak a few more points out of that dish 1000 but in my case I've did everything but stand on my head with my fingers crossed and its never made that much of an improvement.