I'm a bit more at home here with computers What does FTA have to do with computers? Receiver updates are run through a computer via RS232 serial connection. No update without the computer. Runtime error can be caused by so many things (program bug, conflict, memory overload, connection, etc. etc. etc.) Even the receiver. Since I had a specific runtime error 8018, I thought someone might have a fix, or know how to trace. Can buy a program, but want to try myself. Thanks, Guys.