Questions about the new XiP Receivers?

[356B]

PIP is a deal breaker for me, and from what I read many others, Sports, news in critical times and let just say I like to multitask. To each his or her own....and I think many folks are savvy enough to switch modes in the 922 menu. Gosh, we don't agree on anything...do we? just can't let you slip that by...

 

[gregleg]

If PIP is THAT important, you could always put two 110's on the same TV and use the TV's built-in PIP

 

[356B]

If PIP is THAT important, you could always put two 110's on the same TV and use the TV's built-in PIP

Is that suppose to be funny?

 

[n0qcu]

If PIP is THAT important, you could always put two 110's on the same TV and use the TV's built-in PIP

That only would work IF the TV has PIP

 

[TG2]

That only would work IF the TV has PIP

DAMN IT! your right... and then imagine the confusion if you can't retrain PiP on the Dish Remote..

 

[John Kotches]

So I've been thinking about this, and sorry if it's a duplicate.

I am guessing that the use of MoCA is for DRM because most of us don't have MoCA gear in our houses presently does that seem like a stretch? It certainly can't be bandwidth because with most Dish HD these days you can easily get the data in a 10 Mbit/second switched network.

 

[TG2]

So I've been thinking about this, and sorry if it's a duplicate.

I am guessing that the use of MoCA is for DRM because most of us don't have MoCA gear in our houses presently does that seem like a stretch? It certainly can't be bandwidth because with most Dish HD these days you can easily get the data in a 10 Mbit/second switched network.

Not sure why you'd jump to DRM ... Multimedia Over Coax Alliance. Now as to DRM itself.. I don't think there's anyone that *wouldn't* think DRM would be there.. it has to be..

To the bandwidth thoughts ... moca 1.0 specs upto 16 devices, 10 meg each would be 160 meg (175 stated max) though the specs for Dish's implementation are 4 110's and an 813 (slaves and master)

 

[John Kotches]

i know what the acronym is tg.

my point, probably very poorly made is the only reason to go to moca is that nobody can easily sniff it so by way of obscurity you've made it a form of quasi drm.

of course i fully expect true drm to be a huge part of the solution.

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[DustoMan]

You can buy a MoCA adapter from Netgear on Amazon that is theoretically capable of 270Mbps using MoCA 1.1. MoCA 2.0 is capable of 400-800Mbps. That's plenty of bandwidth for the 813 and a few 110 remote boxes. It's more about DISH wanting to make it easier on their installers. All they have to bring is coax to do a home install with networking without also having to pack and run CAT6 with them. Less time, less cost to them. Easier to setup. It's got nothing to do with DRM... that's software.

PIP is a deal breaker for me, and from what I read many others, Sports, news in critical times and let just say I like to multitask. To each his or her own....and I think many folks are savvy enough to switch modes in the 922 menu. Gosh, we don't agree on anything...do we? just can't let you slip that by...

Keep in mind though that we are talking about the 110 remote boxes not having PiP. We haven't seen the 813's yet so it's very possible that PiP is only a feature of that box. Don't break the deal yet!

 

[Tyralak]

PiP is of zero value to me. I find it irritating. I can only pay attention to one show at a time.

 

[356B]

PiP is of zero value to me. I find it irritating. I can only pay attention to one show at a time.

Then don't use it.....

 

[Tyralak]

Then don't use it.....

Thank you, Captain Obvious! You've saved the day once again!

 

[Ronnie-]

Lol, he DID have a point though.

Im right there with you though. One show at a time is enough for me.

 

[TG2]

PiP is of zero value to me. I find it irritating. I can only pay attention to one show at a time.

I don't use it very often ... but it is a way to have two shows queued without "recording" one of them while watching.

ie.. watching one.. commercial comes on, pause, bring up pip, change to a channel you want to watch ... it goes to commercial, pause, switch back... etc.

can also be faster than recording both shows and switching... you have to go into DVR menu, find the other event, resume or play ...etc..

 

[harshness]

It's more about DISH wanting to make it easier on their installers. All they have to bring is coax to do a home install with networking without also having to pack and run CAT6 with them.

The trouble with Ethernet cabling is that it typically requires a whole other level of licensing to do it. It isn't that it is necessarily more difficult or time consuming (the cable is MUCH more forgiving and there's not a lot more opportunity for error), it is typically regulated more stringently.

 

[harshness]

You can buy a MoCA adapter from Netgear on Amazon that is theoretically capable of 270Mbps using MoCA 1.1. MoCA 2.0 is capable of 400-800Mbps.

Know that these are the PHY rates and not the actual TCP/IP throughput. The throughput ceiling has been tested to be "up to" 170Mbps as TG2 explained.

It is notable that the MoCA Alliance has very officially chosen to go away from quoting PHY rates but Netgear chooses to continue to use them. Shame on Netgear.

 

[Lphybred]

I am curious as to why the 813 has 2 Ethernet ports ? I also noticed the 110 has an Ethernet port, however nothing was mentioned in the manual about it (I missed it if it was).

When I wired the house I ran 2 RG6 & 1 Ethernet to each TV/ phone location, so I am anxiously waiting for the official release. Although bases on Dishes past performance I might wait till it is out a while before switching.

From the first time I saw the two Ethernet ports and found out you can link up 2 813's together I figured one ethernet port would be for Internet and the other would be to daisy chain the second 813. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm purely stating this as an assumption.

 

[DustoMan]

The trouble with Ethernet cabling is that it typically requires a whole other level of licensing to do it. It isn't that it is necessarily more difficult or time consuming (the cable is MUCH more forgiving and there's not a lot more opportunity for error), it is typically regulated more stringently.

I'm just repeating something that Scott said near the beginning of the thread or another related post.

 

[356B]

How will PIP figure into this additional tuner?
or will it?
or will the 813 even have PIP capabilities ?

?

 

[mike123abc]

Well now that we are almost to November, and there has not been rumors of a beta program yet... I am predicting another 922 type delay, release spring/summer next year....