Pros and cons of standalone FTA receivers vs. backend system with DVB-S2 tuners

[iBoston]

What apparently makes sense to us, doesn't make sense to developers.

 

[migold]

Well, I'm from the old school... I use two STB's going to modulators feeding a combiner which mixes those signals with signals from three OTA antennas for distribution to sets throughout the house. The STBs feed the main set through HDMI via Home Theater AV unit. Also, have 3rd STB in the main bedroom fed off 4X4 mulltiswitch, which connects to bedroom set via HDMI.

 

[FTA4PA]

By chance, would that include the Amiko HDSE? Can i stream to VLC with it? I didn't think so being we are all trying to run big2small Android on a windows system.

Well, I don't know if you can call this progress or not but under Ubuntu Linux 12.04LTS, I obtained the local network address of my Amiko Mini HD SE (10.0.0.5:2871 for Ali Media Server) using GUPnP Universal Control Point.

I then entered that under Open Network Stream in VLC and was able to capture this video. It's not a stream from one of my channels, more like a logo or something, but it did come from the Amiko Mini HD SE. It's in a ZIP file since uploading a video did not appear to be an option.

 

[iBoston]

I then entered that under Open Network Stream in VLC and was able to capture this video. It's not a stream from one of my channels, more like a logo or something, but it did come from the Amiko Mini HD SE. It's in a ZIP file since uploading a video did not appear to be an option.

I couldn't even get that far. I put the IP address of my Amiko into VLC with no port specification, with the port 2871 and with the ip : port/satip.xml and vlc said it could not open up a stream on all three of those attempts??

 

[FaT Air]

I'd be interested in opening that xml text file . May hold a clue as to where the program stream is.

 

[FTA4PA]

I couldn't even get that far. I put the IP address of my Amiko into VLC with no port specification, with the port 2871 and with the ip : port/satip.xml and vlc said it could not open up a stream on all three of those attempts??

I tried several ways as well and that is the only one that worked.

 

[FTA4PA]

I'd be interested in opening that xml text file . May hold a clue as to where the program stream is.

This is what I get in Firefox:

 

[FaT Air]

Dang, I don't see any clues there.
Do you have to enable streaming from the STB????

 

[iBoston]

From the information given however, it appears to use the SATIP protocol. I tried download a few satIP protocol clients and I haven't had any luck. I would assume that ALI modified the protocol just a wee bit.

 

[iBoston]

Okay, i was able to duplicate the ALI Media video... Ill keep playing and post results.

 

[FTA4PA]

Do you have to enable streaming from the STB????

Only thing I did was go into the Applications menu and make sure Big2Small was set to on.

 

[FaT Air]

http://forum2.progdvb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9121&start=30
Looks like someone else has been on the same path

 

[iBoston]

Well, the amiko is hiding the presentation URL. We need to run a URL http scanner on an android device and sniff the packets.

 

[jmc98]

i like running both a stb and a pc tuner for fta the STB is easy to use for general tv watching and scanning and the pc tuner for what ever the STB can receive

 

[jmc98]

Didn't know where to put this question, but have been thinking about it for some time.
Has anyone emulated android in windoze, or Linux, and installed the amiko app with success???

i have installed in a virtual enviroment android 4.3 for x86 and installed the amiko app but cant test if you can stream to it that way as i dont have a wifi dongle fot the amiko minihd se

 

[KE4EST]

as i dont have a wifi dongle fot the amiko minihd se

Any way for you to run an Ethernet cable directly to it?

 

[iBoston]

i have installed in a virtual enviroment android 4.3 for x86 and installed the amiko app but cant test if you can stream to it that way as i dont have a wifi dongle fot the amiko minihd se

Did you use Andy? or what to get the Android Emulator. I tried Andy, and I couldn't get Android to work. I just kept seeing a black page with the power symbol in the top right...

 

[jmc98]

I used oracle virtual box 4.3.20
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
And android 4.3 for x86
https://code.google.com/p/android-x86/downloads/detail?name=android-x86-4.3-20130725.iso

 

[T134]

I have not tried this App but it looks like it should do what is needed. Install on the Android client device that is running big2small. Capture packets, change channels several times and it should record how ALi is streaming the live satellite. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.taosoftware.android.packetcapture Take the output file to the computer and go through it with Wireshark.

You also might want to use the Amiko Android App as client instead of big2small. It has some improvements. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amikostb.alistream

The Amiko App is in our A3 F-Droid Appstore and can be installed from there on A3's. I still have not tested this route here but at least in theory it should work.

 

[iBoston]

I have not tried this App but it looks like it should do what is needed. Install on the Android client device that is running big2small. Capture packets, change channels several times and it should record how ALi is streaming the live satellite. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.taosoftware.android.packetcapture Take the output file to the computer and go through it with Wireshark.

You also might want to use the Amiko Android App as client instead of big2small. It has some improvements. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amikostb.alistream

The Amiko App is in our A3 F-Droid Appstore and can be installed from there on A3's. I still have not tested this route here but at least in theory it should work.

I tried to install a packet sniffer on android. Everytime i did so, the big2small and amiko apps wouldn't work. UGH! If someone finds a combination that works, post it.