Pete Rose
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He bet on his team while he was the manager, are we just going to take his word that he didn't bet that they would lose a game and he made that happen?
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Good job ignoring the accomplishments that he made as a player.
I'm not condoning that he may have bet on baseball and let's presume he did - that's not "cheating". You clearly don't know what the word means.
Any and all allegations of Pete betting on the game as a MANAGER has zero to do with why he deserves to be in the hall of fame.
I agree that if he goes in he goes in as a player and his credentials there are nothing less than astounding. But betting on the game---especially while still involved with it is what has kept him out.
That has NOTHING to do with any accomplishments he has made in baseball.
He deserves to be in the HOF as a player.
Pete Rose broke a well-known, long-standing rule in MLB that is prominently displayed in every clubhouse:
Rule 21(d):
(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year.
Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
Rose was stupid enough to get caught, but his long exile should be enough of a deterrent for anyone else considering betting on baseball. Let Rose in...
Rule 21(d):
(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared ineligible for one year.
Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
Rose was stupid enough to get caught, but his long exile should be enough of a deterrent for anyone else considering betting on baseball. Let Rose in...
How can anyone say 90s-era steroid users were "cheating"? Team trainers, managers, GMs, owners and MLB officials knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it. By giving juicing their tacit OK, there was no cheating involved. Of course all that changed when baseball, facing a fan and media backlash, said it was shocked -- shocked! -- that there was steroid use going on, and banned PEDs.
On the other hand, gambling always has been the ultimate taboo. If baseball never reinstated Shoeless Joe Jackson, who history proved had little to to with the Black Sox 1919 scandal, there's no way Pete Rose is going to be.
On the other hand, gambling always has been the ultimate taboo. If baseball never reinstated Shoeless Joe Jackson, who history proved had little to to with the Black Sox 1919 scandal, there's no way Pete Rose is going to be.
Steroids were and still are against the law. CBA's do not trump local, state and federal law.
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Not true. Check rule#5 for eligibility in the HOF. Like it or not, integrity and character can be used to exclude a player. I don't think the fact that he was managing and not playing at the time is relevant.
http://baseballhall.org/hall-famers/rules-election/BBWAA
Theres an awful lot of people in the HOF that have questionable character and integrity.
Rose's character and integrity didn't effect ANYTHING on the field during his playing days.
Obviously they didn't think about that rule to let the rest of the Non Character players in.
