Ozzie states some interesting comments...

[DetFan]

Oh in that case, Lets talk Hanley..You guys don't need him. How about a Hanley, Miguel Reunion in Detroit.As for those other guys..you can keep them, although Miller would do better than a few guys in this sorry rotation

 

[salsadancer7]

Oh in that case, Lets talk Hanley..You guys don't need him. How about a Hanley, Miguel Reunion in Detroit.As for those other guys..you can keep them, although Miller would do better than a few guys in this sorry rotation

 

[DetFan]

Better yet you can have the now hitting 280 and in a free fall Big Brennan Boesch..This guy sucks..The league now throws high fastballs out of the zone or off speed int he dirt, and its 3 pitches and gone..Good god..ANother Chris Sheldon??

 

[Sparkman]

Boisterous Ozzie Guillen Making Sense on Asian-Latino Comments -- FanHouse

 

[salsadancer7]

Boisterous Ozzie Guillen Making Sense on Asian-Latino Comments -- FanHouse

VERY interesting comment by well-known baseball journalist from Puerto Rico named Luis Mayoral, who had been a confidant of Roberto Clemente, as a liaison for its growing Latin American contingent:

But a fellow I know who is director of player operations for a major league team corroborated Guillen's observation. He said most Asian players are extended everything from flights for their families to housing allowances to, of course, translators when they come to the states. The precedent, he said, was established by pitcher Hideo Nomo. Ever since, agents for Japanese players have demanded the extra benefits. Latin players, basically bought in bulk in Latin American baseball academies, haven't been so fortunate.

"MLB has stripped Japanese baseball of all the superstars," said Mayoral, who is out of the major leagues now but still writing and doing radio shows back to Puerto Rico. "There are other interests involved between Major League Baseball and Japan via rights to do televised games regularly to Japan and the marketing that is done for MLB in Japan -- the fans buy virtually anything. It's another relationship where the least Major League Baseball can do is treat the players coming in from Japan like kings ... something that's not done with Latinos.

That damn Ozzie Guillen and his warped sense of reality....

Nice find Spark!:up

 

[DodgerKing]

I'll trade Torre for any manager, including Ozzie.

 

[DodgerKing]

VERY interesting comment by well-known baseball journalist from Puerto Rico named Luis Mayoral, who had been a confidant of Roberto Clemente, as a liaison for its growing Latin American contingent:




That damn Ozzie Guillen and his warped sense of reality....

Nice find Spark!:up

Yep...Only further confirms that he does.

Again, he is failing to acknowledge the fact that differences exist because the situations are different.

How many times does it need to be repeated?

Experienced professional athletes that are already at the major league level and are often stars in their own country are going to require different treatment than very young amateurs with little resources and experience. This is also true with American players. Those that are already big named experienced players are treated much better than those signed out of high school or college.

The divide is not a Japanese vs Latin one, it is an experience and high level vs little pro experience and low level. This is the way it is with everything in the real world. Ozzie's failure to see this further demonstrates how clueless foolishness his statement is

 

[salsadancer7]

Yep...Only further confirms that he does.

Again, he is failing to acknowledge the fact that differences exist because the situations are different.

How many times does it need to be repeated?

Experienced professional athletes that are already at the major league level and are often stars in their own country are going to require different treatment than very young amateurs with little resources and experience. This is also true with American players. Those that are already big named experienced players are treated much better than those signed out of high school or college.

And yet MORE and more baseball people are agreeing with Ozzie's comments than the reverse.

LMAO....even Schilling himself AGREES with Ozzie....

Curt Schilling says Ozzie Guillen's recent comments are correct and it's up to the Players Association to do something about it.

Baseball Tonight Clubhouse - ESPN

 

[DodgerKing]

And yet MORE and more baseball people are agreeing with Ozzie's comments than the reverse.

LMAO....even Schilling himself AGREES with Ozzie....




Baseball Tonight Clubhouse - ESPN

Doesn't surprise me, they are PC media personnel who are also clueless or afraid to speak out against what he said for various reasons.

Again, let me repeat. The divide is not a Japanese vs Latin one, it is an experience and high level vs little experience and low level

 

[salsadancer7]

Doesn't surprise me, they are PC media personnel who are also clueless or afraid to speak out against what he said for various reasons.

OK...so now it's a PC issue because someone does not agree with your view? As THAT what we are resorting to? Oh boy!....

Bobby Valentine, a former Mets manager who has had ample experience with interpreters as a manager in the United States and in Japan. “I don’t think Ozzie was criticizing the Asian players. He was saying the Spanish players deserve the same treatment, and he’s right. There should be dedicated translators for every language. If communication is so important, why is it so overlooked?”

Valentine recalled holding a team meeting after a game with the Mets when he was yelling and gesturing, and mentioned that only Rey Ordonez, a Cuban shortstop, was playing hard.

“I found out three days later that because I was yelling and used his name, he thought I was criticizing him,” Valentine said.

When Valentine managed the Chiba Lotte Marines in Japan from 2004 to 2009, he had his own interpreter, but the team also had separate interpreters for the English-speaking players, Spanish-speaking players and Korean-speaking players. At times, there were four interpreters traveling with the team.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/sports/baseball/03ozzie.html?src=mv

 

[salsadancer7]

Excellent read on race and inequality in sports.

[ame="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=bryant/100804"]Reactions to Ozzie Guillen's remarks about Latinos and Asians in baseball obscure the opportunity for meaningful dialogue about race and class - ESPN[/ame]

 

[DodgerKing]

Bobby Valentine, a former Mets manager who has had ample experience with interpreters as a manager in the United States and in Japan. “I don’t think Ozzie was criticizing the Asian players. He was saying the Spanish players deserve the same treatment, and he’s right. There should be dedicated translators for every language. If communication is so important, why is it so overlooked?”

Why? Does someone applying for a job straight out of high school deserve the same treatment as someone who applying for the same job has much more experience in the field and currently working at a similar job? That is what you are saying, Bobby. You are stating that a young inexperienced player should be treated the same as a much older, professional, experienced player.

Don't you see how out of touch with reality these people are? Seriously, they are demanding similar treatment for totally different situations.

Valentine recalled holding a team meeting after a game with the Mets when he was yelling and gesturing, and mentioned that only Rey Ordonez, a Cuban shortstop, was playing hard.

“I found out three days later that because I was yelling and used his name, he thought I was criticizing him,” Valentine said.

When Valentine managed the Chiba Lotte Marines in Japan from 2004 to 2009, he had his own interpreter, but the team also had separate interpreters for the English-speaking players, Spanish-speaking players and Korean-speaking players. At times, there were four interpreters traveling with the team.

Then have one of the many other Spanish speakers who were present at the time, interpret for them. This is not an excuse or a reason, it is an example of you not utilizing the resources that were already available. Probably one reason why you are no longer managing?

 

[DodgerKing]

Excellent read on race and inequality in sports.

Reactions to Ozzie Guillen's remarks about Latinos and Asians in baseball obscure the opportunity for meaningful dialogue about race and class - ESPN

Then you wondered why I questioned the race issue?

Again, making a racial issue out of something that is not about race.

Again, it is about EXPERIENCE and CIRCUMSTANCE. Two different levels of experience and two totally different curcumstances

 

[Hart5150]

LMAO....even Schilling himself AGREES with Ozzie....

Baseball Tonight Clubhouse - ESPN

He said it was the unions responsibility, I agree with that and said so earlier in this thread. Time for the union to put some money into the players instead of just taking from them and the owners.

 

[salsadancer7]

Then you wondered why I questioned the race issue?

Again, making a racial issue out of something that is not about race.

Again, it is about EXPERIENCE and CIRCUMSTANCE. Two different levels of experience and two totally different curcumstances

I suppose you actually read the entire article?

I disagree and ALOT of the people in baseball...including...good ole VERY ANTI-PC Curt Schilling HIMSELF agrees with Ozzie too. Infact I am sure there are ALOT of anti-pc baseball people that agree....they sure as hell are coming out of the wood work on Ozzie's behalf.

But I respect your opinion that you disagree!:up

 

[salsadancer7]

He said it was the unions responsibility, I agree with that and said so earlier in this thread. Time for the union to put some money into the players instead of just taking from them and the owners.

But he ALSO agreed with Ozzie's message. TOO much has been put on WHO said it and too little has been put on what was said by some folks.

So le't use Curt as an example, IF he had made those statements...would we non-hispanics would be in an uproar about those comments....NO.

 

[SandraC]

LMAO....even Schilling himself AGREES with Ozzie....

How can you argue with TWO egomaniacal blowhards who love to hear themselves talk?


Sandra

 

[SandraC]

OK, this is very relevant...and very interesting.

Last night, Vicente Padilla throws a fantastic game against the Padres, no-hitting them into the seventh (I know...ho-hum, another no-hitter), and he throws a complete game two hitter. He's pitching so well, even Joe Torre doesn't pull him out.

Padilla has the Bugs Bunny curve ball working so well the Padres are just flailing at it. And it sets up his fastball nicely, keeping the perfect weather boys totally off balance.

So of course after the game, Prime Ticket interviews Padilla in the dugout...through an INTERPRETER!!! Now keep in mind, Padilla did not emigrate from Nicaragua this week, not this month, not this year...not even this decade. He's been making his living (and a very good living at that) in the United States since the late 90's! But the interpreter is there to translate nonetheless.

A seperate discussion can be had as to why on earth Padilla, after at least 12 years in the country, is still unable to field softball questions during a two minute interview in English, but for the sake of argument let's assume he's just more comfortable speaking in his native language.

Although it does make you wonder what Padilla does when he goes to a restaurant...has he spent 12 years ordering french toast three times a day on road trips?

Ozzie will be happy to know the good news is the Dodgers do have a translator. And who was the translator, you may ask? Here is the delicious part...Padilla's translator is none other than Kenji Nimura...who was born in Japan! It was kinda late and I had to make sure my eyes were working properly, but sure enough it was the Japanese born Nimura.

That's priceless, Ozzie.


Sandra

 

[DodgerKing]

OK, this is very relevant...and very interesting.

Last night, Vicente Padilla throws a fantastic game against the Padres, no-hitting them into the seventh (I know...ho-hum, another no-hitter), and he throws a complete game two hitter. He's pitching so well, even Joe Torre doesn't pull him out.

Padilla has the Bugs Bunny curve ball working so well the Padres are just flailing at it. And it sets up his fastball nicely, keeping the perfect weather boys totally off balance.

So of course after the game, Prime Ticket interviews Padilla in the dugout...through an INTERPRETER!!! Now keep in mind, Padilla did not emigrate from Nicaragua this week, not this month, not this year...not even this decade. He's been making his living (and a very good living at that) in the United States since the late 90's! But the interpreter is there to translate nonetheless.

A seperate discussion can be had as to why on earth Padilla, after at least 12 years in the country, is still unable to field softball questions during a two minute interview in English, but for the sake of argument let's assume he's just more comfortable speaking in his native language.

Although it does make you wonder what Padilla does when he goes to a restaurant...has he spent 12 years ordering french toast three times a day on road trips?

Ozzie will be happy to know the good news is the Dodgers do have a translator. And who was the translator, you may ask? Here is the delicious part...Padilla's translator is none other than Kenji Nimura...who was born in Japan! It was kinda late and I had to make sure my eyes were working properly, but sure enough it was the Japanese born Nimura.

That's priceless, Ozzie.


Sandra

For once, I am in agreement with everything Sandra stated.

 

[SandraC]

For once, I am in agreement with everything Sandra stated.

Sandra