I was thinking about the comment I made before about having TVs with satellite tuners in them. I forgot about the smart TV that Dish showed at team summit and how it was able to show it's own HD programming without a receiver. It basically used an app to access one of the tuners on the Hopper instead of using a Joey. Sounds like it could solve some problems but you know Dish isn't going to offer that for free and give up the $7 a month they would normally make.