If iTunes and AppleTV support 4K by the time I upgrade my Samsung 8550 to a model with the latest bells and whistles I may skip 4K Blu-ray altogether. I don't buy much physical media anymore.
OPPO UDP-203 4K Blu-ray Player
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If iTunes and AppleTV support 4K by the time I upgrade my Samsung 8550 to a model with the latest bells and whistles I may skip 4K Blu-ray altogether. I don't buy much physical media anymore.
I was about to pull the trigger on the Panasonic until I heard the Oppo will arrive earlier than expected. I only have 6 UHD movies, so I can wait a few more months to finally play them.
Brexit tax perhaps?
Companies are bumping UK prices, because they don't trust the stability of the British currency.
See here for example:
Brexit tax: Brits will pay 11% more for an iPhone 7
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/08/technology/iphone-7-uk-price-brexit/
Companies are bumping UK prices, because they don't trust the stability of the British currency.
See here for example:
Brexit tax: Brits will pay 11% more for an iPhone 7
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/08/technology/iphone-7-uk-price-brexit/
Perhaps, but as long as Parliament continues to get their 20% viggerish, I don't suppose they care. 20% of more money is more money.
Specifically with respect to Apple, I suspect that most of their European surcharges revolve around state legal action that the US is has proven gutless to go after.
Thanks for the info on this announcement. The above item is noteworthy for me. There is so much great content now on Amazon Prime in UHD HDR and Netflix UHD that I must have that feature or I will just be adding one more player and not able to replace the Samsung. Until that changes, No OPPO203 for me! They are an excellent company and the products are excellent. I have 3 Blu Ray players now and don't want a 4th.
Besides, I only have one HDCP 2.2 input to my projector so I can only support one UHD source, unless I get a new AVR. And that isn't in the cards!
I'm getting the new ROKU. I'm tired of different players supporting different apps, UHD, no UHD, HDR, no HDR, etc. I know ROKU has them all and hopefully all will support HDR since they are available in one player or another. The Oppo does have an HDMI input that supports 2.0a. 
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That's what I am thinking too! OPPO UDP-203 plus the new $129 Roku Ultra (just announced) connected straight to the OPPO's HDMI input should pretty much cover all the bases!
Does OPPO support HDCP 2.2 on that input? That is a must for any UHD content to pass through. That would be an additional license fee but you should check the specs with OPPO to be sure. If it doesn't, then it may result, no, WILL result in a black screen on video for UHD HDR content. I got the impression that input was to pass through other HD content but not be UHD ready.
The new Sony VPL VW 675ES just announced offers HDCP on both HDMI 2.0 inputs. My 665ES from last year only has HDCP on input 2. When I asked Sony support why Sony only did HDCP 2.2 on the #2 input they said it was a cost cutting decision because that protocol is licensed per input, not per device.
The specs just say HDMI 2.0. According to the HDMI FAQ- the wide color gamut and 4K is supported in BT2020 with HDMI 2.0 but HDR and 60fps requires the extension of HDMI 2.0a for the higher bit rates. HDR 2.0 can be programmable upgraded to the a extension IF the manufacturer used circuitry in the HDMI section to allow that. This hardware should also be using 18Gbps chip sets to support the higher bitrates. Because OPPO is late to the game, it is likely that they will be using that hardware.
But HDCP 2.2 is still a must have on that input to support the UHD and I could not find any reference to that in the reviews. Oppo has an advanced notification page now on the 203. Note there is planned for a 205 that will be the upscale version and offer analog audio. The price has been announced at $1199.
The output must support HDCP2.2 but does that input?
Lacks mention of the a extension
But HDCP 2.2 is still a must have on that input to support the UHD and I could not find any reference to that in the reviews. Oppo has an advanced notification page now on the 203. Note there is planned for a 205 that will be the upscale version and offer analog audio. The price has been announced at $1199.
The output must support HDCP2.2 but does that input?
Don, here is a quote from an Oppo representative, Jason Liao (Source: http://hometheaterreview.com/oppo-gives-official-description-of-udp-203-ultra-hd-blu-ray-player/):
" The player will support HDR and HDR-to-SDR conversion. There is an HDMI 2.0a input port on the back for connecting other video sources, such as a Roku Streaming Stick or Chromecast through the player. "
Note HDMI 2.0a. Again, it doesn't say explicitly that the port is HDCP 2.2 compliant, but I am pretty sure that it is. Otherwise, it just doesn't make much sense to have a UHD-capable HDMI 2.0a input that won't work with most UHD sources.
" The player will support HDR and HDR-to-SDR conversion. There is an HDMI 2.0a input port on the back for connecting other video sources, such as a Roku Streaming Stick or Chromecast through the player. "
Note HDMI 2.0a. Again, it doesn't say explicitly that the port is HDCP 2.2 compliant, but I am pretty sure that it is. Otherwise, it just doesn't make much sense to have a UHD-capable HDMI 2.0a input that won't work with most UHD sources.
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"there will be no streaming apps like Netflix or TIDAL, at least when the player is initially released."
I like that they are leaving the door open for the possibility of adding streaming apps in the future.
For example, the BDP-103 didn't have TIDAL initially. It was added with a later update.
I like that they are leaving the door open for the possibility of adding streaming apps in the future.
For example, the BDP-103 didn't have TIDAL initially. It was added with a later update.
You know I have always liked OPPO products and owned the high end version as well. I met the CEO once and he gave me a heads up on a changed that allowed me to prevent the loss of the juke box server feature that they were forced to disable. I still use that today on my BD93. But having said that I make no assumptions that there is a feature present unless the manufacturer has specified it. I've been burned too many times to fall for assumptions. We will know for sure soon enough. I hope it fully supports HDCP2.2 on the input as that will make it a really great player and if they add the IPTV and multimedia playback support, it will be a great player to own.
TIDAL isn't of interest to me, but Netflix UHD, Amazon UHD, VUDU, and You Tube are a must as I watch those more than any of the others. The Samsung does a good job on making those available.
Now the bottom line is I will not be even thinking of another player for about a year anyway. A lot can happen in the meantime. My next big purchase for the home theater will be a backup lamp for the projector.
TIDAL isn't of interest to me, but Netflix UHD, Amazon UHD, VUDU, and You Tube are a must as I watch those more than any of the others. The Samsung does a good job on making those available.
Now the bottom line is I will not be even thinking of another player for about a year anyway. A lot can happen in the meantime. My next big purchase for the home theater will be a backup lamp for the projector.
Excuse me, but $1200 isn't going to be a commercially viable product. I can't imagine sufficient sales to support such a price point.
Are you saying there are high tech manufacturers out there that would release a product without the promised specs
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I'm not against being an early adopter. I just don't like buying a product on implied or promised future capability when I choose not to be an early adopter. One of the biggest lies by tech marketing people is that a product is "future proof" The future of technology is a very very long time! The reality is that their "future" is only until they render what you bought obsolete.
Want to be a sucker? Buy a product on the basis that they will fix what isn't working "soon."
This is the current scam of the 18Gbps HDMI must have now because when the movie directors begin filming at 60 and 120 fps, your equipment with 10Gbps HDMI won't be able to handle it. The reality is that we have had 60 fps technically available for a very long time and the movie makers still stick with 24 fps for the art. The idea that these artists will "soon" adopt 60fps or higher, is fantasy. Therefore the technology for movie watching, 10Gbps is quite adequate. If your thing is console games, then that is a different story. Developers are moving along with the technical capability as fast as it's available.
$1200 is nothing when it comes to high end audio. If you ever went to CES and visited the section of the show for high end audio, then you would see what is being made for the top end of the market. How about power cords costing > $5000, or audio analog cables that cost over $10,000. In my world I think it's all snake oil but there are people with more money than brains, or should I say hearing capability and they will buy this stuff.
I bought an OPPO with the high end audio DAC's for a bargain price and I couldn't tell the difference. But my hearing was limited to a human being with 60 year old ears.
I'm not against being an early adopter. I just don't like buying a product on implied or promised future capability when I choose not to be an early adopter. One of the biggest lies by tech marketing people is that a product is "future proof" The future of technology is a very very long time!
The reality is that their "future" is only until they render what you bought obsolete.Want to be a sucker? Buy a product on the basis that they will fix what isn't working "soon."
This is the current scam of the 18Gbps HDMI must have now because when the movie directors begin filming at 60 and 120 fps, your equipment with 10Gbps HDMI won't be able to handle it. The reality is that we have had 60 fps technically available for a very long time and the movie makers still stick with 24 fps for the art. The idea that these artists will "soon" adopt 60fps or higher, is fantasy. Therefore the technology for movie watching, 10Gbps is quite adequate. If your thing is console games, then that is a different story. Developers are moving along with the technical capability as fast as it's available.
$1200 is nothing when it comes to high end audio. If you ever went to CES and visited the section of the show for high end audio, then you would see what is being made for the top end of the market. How about power cords costing > $5000, or audio analog cables that cost over $10,000. In my world I think it's all snake oil but there are people with more money than brains, or should I say hearing capability and they will buy this stuff.
I bought an OPPO with the high end audio DAC's for a bargain price and I couldn't tell the difference. But my hearing was limited to a human being with 60 year old ears.
C'mon! The player is not even officially announced yet! You can't buy or even pre-order it from OPPO yet! By the time it goes on sale, things like the HDCP 2.2 compatibility of the HDMI input will be confirmed. And OPPO is not known for promising and not delivering. Quite the opposite: they are trying to downplay the features and not to promise things that they are not 100% sure about. Dolby Vision is a good example.
I think you may be reading between the lines here. Like I said I don't doubt Oppo is probably the best player we will get, but to claim they don't make promises and then don't deliver is not historically true. Maybe since the last promise had to be pulled due to their attempt to deliver a feature that got them sued and a threat that would have closed the business and I got that straight from the source, no publication author on that one. So, yes, the 203 is just a first view and all we really can say is what those who saw it claim. There was one article that said specs are not yet finalized yet anyway.
Here's my specific concern ( and this is just a guess ) HDCP by its purpose is to prevent a connection flow that the HDMI input on the 203 is purposed to do, one source, one sink and nothing in between. I "guess" that the reason it is not mentioned yet is because there is no licensed authorization on the 203 to claim it yet. Obviously, the output HDMI that is 2.0 as claimed in the article will be HDCP2.2 but whether they will get approved for the HDCP2.2 on the input remains unknown. Absent this, the input will be as described in the article, to connect non HDCP2.2 content sources, not to daisy chain multiple HDCP2.2 devices.
Now having said that, the flip side is that AVR's are being licensed for switching UHD HDR HDCP2.2 so it remains to be seen how the licensing authority views this 203 application. It's nice to have standards, but these licensing agencies can be a bunch of greedy jerks at times with copy protection. Logical is not always the default. Therefore I don't assume or read between the lines as a fait accompli. That's why I remain skeptical until the company confirms. In the end, I'm sure the hardware is final in the 203 but how that hardware is licensed and programmed may not be what you expect.
I'd rather be pleasantly surprised, than disappointed if an assumption doesn't happen.
Here's my specific concern ( and this is just a guess ) HDCP by its purpose is to prevent a connection flow that the HDMI input on the 203 is purposed to do, one source, one sink and nothing in between. I "guess" that the reason it is not mentioned yet is because there is no licensed authorization on the 203 to claim it yet. Obviously, the output HDMI that is 2.0 as claimed in the article will be HDCP2.2 but whether they will get approved for the HDCP2.2 on the input remains unknown. Absent this, the input will be as described in the article, to connect non HDCP2.2 content sources, not to daisy chain multiple HDCP2.2 devices.
Now having said that, the flip side is that AVR's are being licensed for switching UHD HDR HDCP2.2 so it remains to be seen how the licensing authority views this 203 application. It's nice to have standards, but these licensing agencies can be a bunch of greedy jerks at times with copy protection. Logical is not always the default. Therefore I don't assume or read between the lines as a fait accompli. That's why I remain skeptical until the company confirms. In the end, I'm sure the hardware is final in the 203 but how that hardware is licensed and programmed may not be what you expect.
I'd rather be pleasantly surprised, than disappointed if an assumption doesn't happen.
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