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Derwin0 said:
The reason Emma & Henry lost their memories, was because everything about Storybrooke (including Emma & Henry's memories of it) were erased from our world. That is how Regina explained it to Emma when she told her they wouldn't remember Storybrooke. She gave them the false memories to cover the gap of her not having Henry. A gift to Emma & Henry so they wouldn't be alone without one another.

All the Storybrooke people that went back to the enchanted forest though, likely will keep their memories, as the reason for Emma & Henry not remembering doesn't apply to them.

Now if they all lost their memories, but Hook kept his can also be explained easily enough. Hook was never part of the curse, as he was still back in the enchanted forest (with Cora, Sleeping Beauty, and Mulan) while everyone else was in Storybrooke the last several years.
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Couldn't have explained it better myself.

Regina tells Emma that she and Henry will lose their memories but that she will give them false happy ones. She never says that the curse will take everyone else's memories. After all, what sort of "price" would Regina have paid never getting to see Henry again if she didn't remember him and miss not being able to see him?

To build on Derwin's statement, I didn't understand why Hook, Neil, and Tinkerbell couldn't have also avoided the curse with Emma and Henry (since they weren't bound by the original one). But it's a TV show and the writers probably glossed over those details because it suited them to.

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dangue said:
To build on Derwin's statement, I didn't understand why Hook, Neil, and Tinkerbell couldn't have also avoided the curse with Emma and Henry (since they weren't bound by the original one). But it's a TV show and the writers probably glossed over those details because it suited them to.
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Especially in Neil's case, as he has nothing in the enchanted forest to go back to, with Emma & Henry being in Boston. I can see Tink, and possibly Hook, wanting to go back, but not Neil.

Tink & Hook were both in Neverland when the curse was cast. Neil was either still in Neverland, or on Earth when it was cast, so like Emma they should not have been affected by the curse being destroyed, per Regina's explanation. While Henry was born on Earth, Emma was enchanted forest born, just like Neil, Tink, and Hook.
 
Exactly. Emma and Henry's memories were erased, and Regina gave them happy memories. Every other fairy tale character retained their memories. Hook, Tink, and even Neil could not remain because they are not part of this world. When the curse was cast, Neil was in this world (or Neverland), Tink was in Neverland. It's hard saying where Hook was. The curse lasted for 28 years, and Hook had Baelfire in Neverland for quite a long time. I don't remember it being clearly explained. He didn't unite with Cora until after the curse. Emma was exempt from the curse even though she was born in the Enchanted Forest because she is the savior.

S~
 
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Annie61 said:
My heart broke (well ok slight exxageration) when Mr Gold died. I really like the actor who played him and how he acted the character.. I'm hoping it's like comic books, they hardly ever stay dead. March 9th is a long time too wait!!! Great show!
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Plenty time for him to have someone find Magic to bring him back !

I too like him, I've liked a lot of shows he's appeared in, if you take the make up off you'll see him clearly if you don't remember him from other shows !
 
teachsac said:
Exactly. Emma and Henry's memories were erased, and Regina gave them happy memories. Every other fairy tale character retained their memories. Hook, Tink, and even Neil could not remain because they are not part of this world. When the curse was cast, Neil was in this world (or Neverland), Tink was in Neverland. It's hard saying where Hook was. The curse lasted for 28 years, and Hook had Baelfire in Neverland for quite a long time. I don't remember it being clearly explained. He didn't unite with Cora until after the curse. Emma was exempt from the curse even though she was born in the Enchanted Forest because she is the savior.

S~
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Wow, you guys go into way more detail that I would expect ... then again, I didn't start watching the show till last year.
Just getting to know the cast took time to understand.

Fwiw, how did they (Hook) know for find Emma and Henry ... while they knew they were in Boston, but it didn't take long to find them.
 
Derwin0 said:
The reason Emma & Henry lost their memories, was because everything about Storybrooke (including Emma & Henry's memories of it) were erased from our world. That is how Regina explained it to Emma when she told her they wouldn't remember Storybrooke. She gave them the false memories to cover the gap of her not having Henry. A gift to Emma & Henry so they wouldn't be alone without one another.

All the Storybrooke people that went back to the enchanted forest though, likely will keep their memories, as the reason for Emma & Henry not remembering doesn't apply to them.

Now if they all lost their memories, but Hook kept his can also be explained easily enough. Hook was never part of the curse, as he was still back in the enchanted forest (with Cora, Sleeping Beauty, and Mulan) while everyone else was in Storybrooke the last several years.
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I just re-watched the last 20 minutes of the show and took notes.

Regina said to Emma that when the curse hits the town, it will erase all their memories and Storybrooke will be erased , like it never existed and that "the last few years will not have happened" and she (Regina )and the others ( in Storybrooke) will go back to being stories again. As soon as Emma and Henry cross the town line they will then have the life that they always wanted , a life together from the beginning . This was the gift that Regina gave to Emma and Henry. So if the last few years never will have happened , that means that all the people in Storybrooke will go back to the Enchanted forest and will have never known they were in our world , effectively means that NO ONE that was in Storybrooke will remember ever living there or leaving the Enchanted Forest in the first place. This will include Regina and also Emma and Henry as well as anyone in Storybrooke , except apparently Capt. Hook , who is not from Storybrooke in the FIRST place. None of them will remember ANY of the last few years ,because Regina undid her original curse making it as it had never happened.

So Emma and Henry ,because they have been in our world since Emma was a baby and Henry was born here, may still have their memories ,but they have been falsely imprinted with a past that Regina gave them ,which fills in the past from Henry's birth. So they got their happy ending. So Capt. Hook maybe able to jog their real memories under the false ones, but everyone else in the non existent Storybrooke will not remember because the whole town never existed and the curse was reversed like it never happened. Which means an entire reboot of all the characters and the show itself. That was my take on it and I watched and took careful notes to be able to discuss this in depth.

Now all that being said, they can always come up with a reason that no one remembers the last few years in our world and dismiss the time line syfy explanation and dip into even more phantasy and or supernatural reason tied to the curse. I think it is a reboot so Regina can become the evil queen again and they can retell all new stories without the past holding them back. Especially since Regina proved her love to Henry by sacrificing her life with him and her memories of him by undoing her original curse. They have to find a way to bring her back to being her evil self ,so she can once again make everyone's life in the Enchanted forest a living hell. A reverse of the curse as if it never happened would also mean Rumplestilskyn (Gold ) should be alive again in the Enchanted forest. Unless the guy who plays him wants out of his role.
 
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MikeD-C05 said:
I just re-watched the last 20 minutes of the show and took notes.

Regina said to Emma that when the curse hits the town, it will erase all their memories and Storybrooke will be erased , like it never existed and that "the last few years will not have happened" and she (Regina )and the others ( in Storybrooke) will go back to being stories again. As soon as Emma and Henry cross the town line they will then have the life that they always wanted , a life together from the beginning . This was the gift that Regina gave to Emma and Henry. So if the last few years never will have happened , that means that all the people in Storybrooke will go back to the Enchanted forest and will have never known they were in our world , effectively means that NO ONE that was in Storybrooke will remember ever living there or leaving the Enchanted Forest in the first place. This will include Regina and also Emma and Henry as well as anyone in Storybrooke , except apparently Capt. Hook , who is not from Storybrooke in the FIRST place. None of them will remember ANY of the last few years ,because Regina undid her original curse making it as it had never happened.

So Emma and Henry ,because they have been in our world since Emma was a baby and Henry was born here, may still have their memories ,but they have been falsely imprinted with a past that Regina gave them ,which fills in the past from Henry's birth. So they got their happy ending. So Capt. Hook maybe able to jog their real memories under the false ones, but everyone else in the non existent Storybrooke will not remember because the whole town never existed and the curse was reversed like it never happened. Which means an entire reboot of all the characters and the show itself. That was my take on it and I watched and took careful notes to be able to discuss this in depth.

Now all that being said, they can always come up with a reason that no one remembers the last few years in our world and dismiss the time line syfy explanation and dip into even more phantasy and or supernatural reason tied to the curse. I think it is a reboot so Regina can become the evil queen again and they can retell all new stories without the past holding them back. Especially since Regina proved her love to Henry by sacrificing her life with him and her memories of him by undoing her original curse. They have to find a way to bring her back to being her evil self ,so she can once again make everyone's life in the Enchanted forest a living hell. A reverse of the curse as if it never happened would also mean Rumplestilskyn (Gold ) should be alive again in the Enchanted forest. Unless the guy who plays him wants out of his role.
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Sorry, had to rewatch and verified my belief that your notes are wrong. Here's the exact quote of the relevant dialogue:

Queen: Emma, there's something I haven't told you.
Emma: What now?
Queen:When the curse washes over US, it will send US all back. Nothing will be left behind. Including YOUR memories. It's just what the curse does. Storybrooke will no longer exist, it won't ever have existed. So these last years will be gone from BOTH YOUR memories and we'll just go back to being stories again.
Emma: What will happen to us?
Queen: I don't know.
Emma: That doesn't sound much like a happy ending.
Queen: It's not. But I can give you one.
Emma: You can preserve our memories?
Queen: No. I can do what I did to everyone else in this town. And give you new ones.
Emma: You cursed them and they were miserable.
Queen: they didn't have to be. My gift to you is good memories. A good life for you and Henry....

[Discussion about the false memories.]

Please note the distinction between US and YOUR in the dialogue. Regina never says that the people from the Enchanted Forrest will forget, only that they will be sent back and can never return. In fact she says "both your" memories referring to Emma and Henry's memories instead of saying "all our" referring to everyone's memories.

Based on that, I stand by my opinion that the only memory loss indicated by the dialogue is to Emma and Henry.

Regardless, it's a fantasy show and writers will be writers, so anything can happen and they can retcon anything at a later date if they see fit. Which sort of makes this disagreement moot, but I couldn't help but continue to argue for my interpretation.

Edited to correct an autocorrection of "Retcon" into "retain."

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dangue said:
Sorry, had to rewatch and verified my belief that your notes are wrong. Here's the exact quote of the relevant dialogue:

Queen: Emma, there's something I haven't told you.
Emma: What now?
Queen:When the curse washes over US, it will send US all back. Nothing will be left behind. Including YOUR memories. It's just what the curse does. Storybrooke will no longer exist, it won't ever have existed. So these last years will be gone from BOTH YOUR memories and we'll just go back to being stories again.
Emma: What will happen to us?
Queen: I don't know.
Emma: That doesn't sound much like a happy ending.
Queen: It's not. But I can give you one.
Emma: You can preserve our memories?
Queen: No. I can do what I did to everyone else in this town. And give you new ones.
Emma: You cursed them and they were miserable.
Queen: they didn't have to be. My gift to you is good memories. A good life for you and Henry....

[Discussion about the false memories.]

Please note the distinction between US and YOUR in the dialogue. Regina never says that the people from the Enchanted Forrest will forget, only that they will be sent back and can never return. In fact she says "both your" memories referring to Emma and Henry's memories instead of saying "all our" referring to everyone's memories.

Based on that, I stand by my opinion that the only memory loss indicated by the dialogue is to Emma and Henry.

Regardless, it's a fantasy show and writers will be writers, so anything can happen and they can retain anything at a later date if they see fit. Which sort of makes this disagreement moot, but I couldn't help but continue to argue for my interpretation.

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This is what I remember and how I interpreted it, that Emma and Henry's memories were the only ones that were going to be lost.
 
dangue said:
Sorry, had to rewatch and verified my belief that your notes are wrong. Here's the exact quote of the relevant dialogue:

Queen: Emma, there's something I haven't told you.
Emma: What now?
Queen:When the curse washes over US, it will send US all back. Nothing will be left behind. Including YOUR memories. It's just what the curse does. Storybrooke will no longer exist, it won't ever have existed. So these last years will be gone from BOTH YOUR memories and we'll just go back to being stories again.
Emma: What will happen to us?
Queen: I don't know.
Emma: That doesn't sound much like a happy ending.
Queen: It's not. But I can give you one.
Emma: You can preserve our memories?
Queen: No. I can do what I did to everyone else in this town. And give you new ones.
Emma: You cursed them and they were miserable.
Queen: they didn't have to be. My gift to you is good memories. A good life for you and Henry....

[Discussion about the false memories.]

Please note the distinction between US and YOUR in the dialogue. Regina never says that the people from the Enchanted Forrest will forget, only that they will be sent back and can never return. In fact she says "both your" memories referring to Emma and Henry's memories instead of saying "all our" referring to everyone's memories.

Based on that, I stand by my opinion that the only memory loss indicated by the dialogue is to Emma and Henry.

Regardless, it's a fantasy show and writers will be writers, so anything can happen and they can retcon anything at a later date if they see fit. Which sort of makes this disagreement moot, but I couldn't help but continue to argue for my interpretation.

Edited to correct an autocorrection of "Retcon" into "retain."

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Okay, she might of been talking about Henry and Emma's memories, but if the town never existed by Regina undoing the curse , that means the towns people will not remember the last few years either. Especially if Regina Undoes her original curse and takes everyone back to Enchanted forest and the town never existed at all. Why would anyone remember the events in a town that never existed? Especially since when the story started the towns people didn't know who they really were because Regina had planted false memories in all their minds. Emma broke the original curse and they got their memories back. So if the curse is reversed and the town never existed ,then it stands to reason the towns people will not remember any of the events associated with the now non existent town of Storybrooke. That is if you believe that Regina reversed the original curse in order to fight the new curse Pan released on the town. You reverse the curse , you reverse the time back to where they were before the original curse happened so no events that we have been watching will be remembered because they never happened.

This has all been done to REBOOT the entire show and give all the characters a new start, especially Regina who has now been redeemed and is now a nice person willing to sacrifice her life with Henry to make him happy. You can't keep telling nice stories about the evil queen. But I guess we won't know about who is right about the towns people's memories till the show comes back in March. I am betting that none will remember their past false lives in Storybrooke and they will all start over again.
 
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Of course there is also the small plot detail of how Emma and Henry find the enchanted forest again. One assumes that somehow they are all going to get back together again for more episodes...
 
Well, in some spare time of late, I have decided to watch Once Upon a Time from the beginning ...
Starting season 2 tomorrow ... Not I didn't watch all 22 episodes in one day (season 1) !

It's nice to see seasons that are that many episodes long, anymore they usually are about 13 IF they make that and typically those are broke up with holidays and other breaks.
 
Once Upon a Time, once again is giving us a show the DAY BEFORE the Season Premiere that will catch you up and or refresh your memory of what has happened ...
The show is on Saturday evening at 7 pm est.
 
teachsac said:
I have Sunday at 7 right before the new episodes pick up.

S~
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OK, My bad...

There are 2 episodes on Saturday, after looking closer (the dvr picked them up) they are repeats from last year.

Also, 2 episodes on Sunday as well.
The 1st being the one to catch you up and the 2nd is the Season Premiere !
 
I did see the two episodes Saturday when I was scrolling through. I just might rewatch them, too. They usually have pretty good summaries, though.

S~
 
Next Episode: Season 3 Recap

Sunday, March 9, 2014, @ 7:00

"Wicked is Coming": A look at the series so far; interview with the cast and executive producers Eddy Kitsis and Adam Horowitz.

S~
 

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