Olympics Will be the Death of me and VOOM
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eg9 said:
AS I have posted and a couple other have the reason I can be in Madison WI and not get Voom's feed and get DTV's is because they negotiated a different deal then DTV (not sure about dish never been customer). That is the hard facts. I called 15 minutes ago and was told the same thing I have have been told by 2 different supervisors. Quite telling me about local this and that O&O, waivers, and other stuff. Thats is the reason...pure and simple. The did a crappy job of negotiating. Did VOom have an obligation give us this feed no, so I applaude them for trying but don't blame NBC for not getting OLY's when it is a Voom d-e-c-i-s-i-o-n to agree to the terms they negotiated. The ones that get the OLY via Voom enjoy them. I just wisah after being told by diff peeps on diff days I was going to get it and not I am not they would get their shi* together. Same thing happened with channel 311, NFL Voom.....first it was Aug. 1st now maybe early september. Communication is the key and it has been crap.
I'm not sure what there is to complain about - maybe I'm missing something.
Voom is providing the HD feed (where available)
they're providing the SD feed (where available)
they have USA, CNBC, MSNBC, and Bravo - all showing Olympic events - that's one more channel than my local cableco (who doesn't have Bravo).
Voom is providing the HD feed (where available)
they're providing the SD feed (where available)
they have USA, CNBC, MSNBC, and Bravo - all showing Olympic events - that's one more channel than my local cableco (who doesn't have Bravo).
eg9,
So you dump on Seawaves b/c he finds something he dislikes about voom and comes here to complain. Now YOU find something you dislike about voom and come here to complain. And now YOU get dumped on for being a whiner and complainer. Funny how what goes around comes around
I hope you see the irony of the situation.
So you dump on Seawaves b/c he finds something he dislikes about voom and comes here to complain. Now YOU find something you dislike about voom and come here to complain. And now YOU get dumped on for being a whiner and complainer. Funny how what goes around comes around
I hope you see the irony of the situation.
deArgila said:
1. See above
2. USA, CNBC, MSNBC, and Bravo - all showing Olympic events - most of this is crap events like water polo between argentina and guatamela....yeah!!
3. I have no local NBC TV and "normal" coverage.
4. voom provides some markets with the OLY
The main issue I have is the left hand does not know what the right is doing....again see above
PS love your avatar
Sean Mota said:I have edited some comments. Please refrain from personal attacks. Let's keep it civil. Thanks
Thank you Sean. Man, it's hard to defend Voom from the clueless! I do think any one who make like/dislike anything with Voom has to be fair first.
That and i think anytime someone posts "F-U" they need a time out.
Madtown HD Junkie said:1. See above
2. USA, CNBC, MSNBC, and Bravo - all showing Olympic events - most of this is crap events like water polo between argentina and guatamela....yeah!!
3. I have no local NBC TV and "normal" coverage.
4. voom provides some markets with the OLY
The main issue I have is the left hand does not know what the right is doing....again see above
PS love your avatar
Madtown,
Certainly, if all you can see of the Olympics is the HD feed- that's not cool. Many of us here have kept some sort of backup, cable or another SAT company so that we don't miss stuff. The OTA is (IMO) what causes Voom the most grief. But it's not like Voom has three birds to start doing spot beam locals. The old rock and the hard place.
For all of you who claim to be expert on VOOM / NBC policies on this Olympics broadcast please educate me on how this can happen:
I get DishNetwork Olympics in HD (9425 and 148)
I get DirecTV Olympics in HD (Channel 84)
I get NBC local Olympics HDTV on OTA channel 12-1
I get NBC local Olympics on analog channel 12
On my VOOM I get a black screen on 594, 593, 321.
Not that I care but just wanted to understand how this is the FCC, my local station, or NBC's fault.
I get DishNetwork Olympics in HD (9425 and 148)
I get DirecTV Olympics in HD (Channel 84)
I get NBC local Olympics HDTV on OTA channel 12-1
I get NBC local Olympics on analog channel 12
On my VOOM I get a black screen on 594, 593, 321.
Not that I care but just wanted to understand how this is the FCC, my local station, or NBC's fault.
DVlos-
Last sentence answered your question to me about why I should even care but in case you didn't understand, I'll repeat it another way.
I don't care but was just curious why VOOM is the only service I get that can't air the Olympics here. For those who only have VOOM (in my area) it would be a big disappointment and it seems very inconsistent as well.
I take it from your explanation you know the reason VOOM doesn't have it and D* and E* does is because VOOM didn't pay for rights to it for here and D* and E* did.
"D* and E* may have worked out a nice deal with Voom since they have millions of subs to show both." ????? Does that mean you know that D* and E* paid VOOM not to air it?
Last sentence answered your question to me about why I should even care but in case you didn't understand, I'll repeat it another way.
I don't care but was just curious why VOOM is the only service I get that can't air the Olympics here. For those who only have VOOM (in my area) it would be a big disappointment and it seems very inconsistent as well.
I take it from your explanation you know the reason VOOM doesn't have it and D* and E* does is because VOOM didn't pay for rights to it for here and D* and E* did.
"D* and E* may have worked out a nice deal with Voom since they have millions of subs to show both." ????? Does that mean you know that D* and E* paid VOOM not to air it?
I'm not sure, Don, my friend has cable and is only getting NBC HD as well, but I'm don't know if he's checked all his channels. Since E* and D* retransmit locals through the Sat. it may also be a factor. Voom is a DBS that relies on OTA for locals at the moment, this could also be a factor.
Now, I'm sure Voom would have liked to activate 321, 593, 594 for everyone but they can't because NBC has dictated their stupid O&O rules regarding OTA and retransmitting signals. I was very confused by this as well, but it IS coming from NBC, it's even on their web site and they list their O&O stations and which areas can get NBC-HD.
It could be E* and D* worked out a seperate deal? Maybe because they retransmit their local analog signals anyway this doesn't apply? I'm not sure, but I do suspect that if another network covered the Olympics it wouldn't be such a fiasco.
Now, I'm sure Voom would have liked to activate 321, 593, 594 for everyone but they can't because NBC has dictated their stupid O&O rules regarding OTA and retransmitting signals. I was very confused by this as well, but it IS coming from NBC, it's even on their web site and they list their O&O stations and which areas can get NBC-HD.
It could be E* and D* worked out a seperate deal? Maybe because they retransmit their local analog signals anyway this doesn't apply? I'm not sure, but I do suspect that if another network covered the Olympics it wouldn't be such a fiasco.
OK, I was really asking if anyone knew the real story. What is obvious is that there are many different rules being used here, besides the O&O, NBC rules. BTW- I have also observed a variation in application of blackout rules between D* and E* and V* I'm guessing there are mistakes being made at the DBS level. I don't have digital cable here so I can't checkout Comcast.
E* and D* did not observe the blackout rules in my area. I wrote several letters about this, according to ESPN they have to follow MLB rules with regards to blackouts which Voom did. However this last week the Marlins played the Cardinals to a non-sellout crowd at the Pro, and it was aired on ESPNHD which I got to see (yes!) on Voom. Technically it should have been blacked out again locally...maybe Voom got in someone's face about it.
Dvlos said:
E* and D* along with NBC requested permission from the local network affiliates to make the delayed HD feed available to satellite subscribers in their DMA. Some station managers said yes some said no. I'm sure it helped that E* and D* already have working relationships with most of the affiliates, something that V* lacks.
NightRyder
