Nimiq 4 strength

[alebowgm]

Its going to be a wait and see thing I guess. I was just reading over at a different forum that subscribers in southwestern Ontario and in the northern territories had been calling in to complain about signal issues. If that is the case, it looks as if they are adjusting the beam through some mechanism they have and it is improving reception for people south of the boarder who thought they may have lost it.

I agree, it probably does have something to do with 77w and 82w both being 4.5 degrees apart at the same time.

 

[TNnavearam]

As of last week, a signal measured in Knoxville, TN showed zero on 82 except for transponders 2 & 3. Does anyone else in the nearby area have data. Does anyone know if a larger dish would pull in a better signal?

 

[Southernguy]

I am located 70 miles southeast of Nashville, also getting the same results.

 

[bpiddle]

30 Inch Dish - Signal Back (New York)

As I mentioned in a previous post, I live 30 miles north of New York City and lost the signal on all transponders on 82 (except for transponders 2 and 3). Last night I checked signal strength and I was getting between 0-43 on all transponders (other than 2 and 3) and was not able to receive any channels. This morning I had my 18 inch dish replaced with a 30 inch dish. I am now able to obtain a lock on all transponders and can now receive all channels. These are the numbers as they appear on my 6100. The first number is the transponder number, the second number is signal strength with the 18 inch dish and the third number is signal strength with the 30 inch dish.


1 0 59
2 68 100
3 93 100
4 40 80
5 0 60
6 0 75
7 32 78
8 41 82
9 33 74
10 0 76
11 32 80
12 40 82
13 34 74
14 32 77
15 35 78
16 41 83
17 36 76
18 34 77
19 35 80
20 41 83
21 36 76
22 36 78
23 37 80
24 43 83
25 37 76
26 37 78
27 37 78
28 43 84
29 38 77
30 38 78
31 37 77
32 43 85

 

[DaveFormula]

Surprising improvement from 46cm dish to 76cm dish

bpiddle,

I find the improvement in going to a larger dish impressive, however, what I find most impressive is the change from 0 to 76 on TP 10 and the such. I could see your signal levels doubling from say 40% to 80% as in TP 4. But to go from 0 to 76% with a modestly large dish is well, surprising. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate and welcome your feedback. Thank you.

I just wonder if something else isn't going on as well. That is to say on BEV's end. I've read that TPs have suddenly begun to show up in Nashville TN.

In any case, as I said before, this is certainly good and welcomed news. Enjoy.:

 

[bpiddle]

My dishes are attached to a tree. Every few years I have to have the signal peaked because the tree sort of grows around the base of the dish (moving it slightly). The 18 inch dish had not been peaked in a few years. So part of the improvement might be due to the fact that the 18 inch dish needed to be peaked. Another thing that might explain it is that the meter on the 6100 does not appear to show any signal strength below 31. So 0 may have been 29 or 30. Therefore the improvement on TP 4 may not have been as great as it appears. Maybe these two things might partially explain it.

bpiddle,

I find the improvement in going to a larger dish impressive, however, what I find most impressive is the change from 0 to 76 on TP 10 and the such. I could see your signal levels doubling from say 40% to 80% as in TP 4. But to go from 0 to 76% with a modestly large dish is well, surprising. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate and welcome your feedback. Thank you.

I just wonder if something else isn't going on as well. That is to say on BEV's end. I've read that TPs have suddenly begun to show up in Nashville TN.

In any case, as I said before, this is certainly good and welcomed news. Enjoy.:

 

[robjlevin]

There's a definite improvement here in New Jersey. I'm getting all HD channels here but a check of the signal strength shows about 50 on most transponders. It's a crystal clear day here and I think one passing cloud would be enough to kill the picture.

I may just look into a 30 inch dish. Thanks for the update.

 

[peano]

Would this dish work?:

Dish Network Expressvu 30" wing 129 61.5 HD DP Dual FTA - eBay (item 300266247998 end time Oct-21-08 07:52:01 PDT)

 

[robjlevin]

Of course, with my great timing, I just ordered CI from Dish, and next week 82 will cover CONUS!!

I canceled CI on BEV and ordered on DirecTV and don't regret it. All games in HD for the home and away broadcast. And it's cheaper.

 

[bluereef]

Great dish for Bell or Dishnet. Excellant price also also, grab it while you can

 

[2k1Toaster]

BEV is definately screwing with the footprint of 82 today...

New results:

Sat.Transponder = %

82.01 = 0%
82.02 = 61%
82.03 = 87%
82.04 = 0%
82.05 = 0%
82.06 = 45%
82.07 = 48%
82.08 = 0%
82.09 = 0%
82.10 = 44%
82.11 = 47%
82.12 = 0%
82.13 = 0%
82.14 = 41%
82.15 = 45%
82.16 = 0%
82.17 = 0%
82.18 = 0%
82.19 = 42%
82.20 = 0%
82.21 through 82.32 = 0%

Instead of just voicing complaints here, I am going to start sending them emails complaining about the footprint. Hopefully they will try to boost the signal to high 90-s in Toronto meaning 60's ish here!

Also I was looking at a bigger dish, and found a 40" that is supposedly for BEV. Is the shape normal?

EDIT: The link wont work since I dont have enough posts, but it is very eliptical, not round-ish. Fiberglass.

 

[2k1Toaster]

Also I need/want some clarification on how this works. You can give it to me "techy" style, that is fine with me.

Right now there are 4 satellites BEV uses. 2 at 82 and 2 at 92. Right now I have 1 dish. Their signals cross eachother on the ground and the 1 dish picks them up, but is actually aimed at neither right?

So, if we got 1 dish that pointed right at 92, and another that pointed right at 82, signal strength should go up, correct? Or is this not possible?

 

[Mr Tony]

Instead of just voicing complaints here, I am going to start sending them emails complaining about the footprint. Hopefully they will try to boost the signal to high 90-s in Toronto meaning 60's ish here!

are you in Canada?

If not, do you know how stupid that sounds.

Lets see...Bell cant legally sell to US addresses. What we are doing is grey area. Bell cannot sell to a US address so we use Canadian addresses or brokers
You are in the US so you're gonna bitch to Bell about the footprint? Bell is covering their LEGAL area of Canada so you have no grounds to complain.

Sorry to be harsh, but that is one of the dumbest things I have heard in this thread about the signal issue.

 

[Mr Tony]

Also I need/want some clarification on how this works. You can give it to me "techy" style, that is fine with me.

Right now there are 4 satellites BEV uses. 2 at 82 and 2 at 92. Right now I have 1 dish. Their signals cross eachother on the ground and the 1 dish picks them up, but is actually aimed at neither right?

So, if we got 1 dish that pointed right at 92, and another that pointed right at 82, signal strength should go up, correct? Or is this not possible?

they're at 82 & 91

a D500 actually looks between them (86.5). If you aim a dish at 82 and one at 91 you gain maybe a point on signal since they are high powered

If you want to try a bigger dish, then by all means try it. But I would forewarn purchasing a bunch of equipment to try it. As I posted above, I'm farther north than Toronto (Minneapolis) and I am having issues

 

[2k1Toaster]

are you in Canada?

If not, do you know how stupid that sounds.

Lets see...Bell cant legally sell to US addresses. What we are doing is grey area. Bell cannot sell to a US address so we use Canadian addresses or brokers
You are in the US so you're gonna bitch to Bell about the footprint? Bell is covering their LEGAL area of Canada so you have no grounds to complain.

Sorry to be harsh, but that is one of the dumbest things I have heard in this thread about the signal issue.

Well that is the thing. I have relatives in Southern Ontario that are not getting the same signals they had. They are complaining.

So if you complain by using a Southern Ontario or near border address, they will have to increase signal there, which in turn would increase signal more south.

 

[OnlineLC]

2k1Toaster please give your location because I am almost getting the exact opposite of the transponders I see here in Nashville, TN.

Here is my current list for 82 (Last week I could see nothing apart from 2 and 3 which are not on Nimiq 4)

01 0%
02 77%
03 93%
04 42%
05 0%
06 0%
07 0%
08 46%
09 42%
10 0%
11 0%
12 45%
13 41%
14 0%
15 0%
16 46%
17 42%
18 0%
19 0%
20 44%
21 41%
22 0%
23 0%
24 45%
25 41%
26 0%
27 0%
28 46%
29 42%
30 0%
31 0%
32 46%

The dish is the standard Bell Dual LNB which I believe is 20 or 22 inches.

Also note: these strengths are as shown on my old deactivated 4700 connected to the SW44. For some reason my 9242 cannot consistently pull in TP17, 21, 29.

 

[Mr Tony]

They can fine tune the footprint so much that sure they could maybe crank up the power "near the border" and thats it...

its like in radio and TV (over the air)...they can use directional antennas to give it more power in one direction and none the other. Bell could do that, crank up the power and then shift the satellite even more north.

As noted above, Dish has authorization to use 77W for their eastern arc thing. Since DBS needs 9 degrees spacing, maybe Bell cant turn up the power and needs to concentrate on Canada only?

If your relatives lost signal, then maybe they could really raise heck. But if the signal dropped a little bit Bell may say thats good enough....kinda like Dish and 129

 

[2k1Toaster]

2k1Toaster please give your location because I am almost getting the exact opposite of the transponders I see here in Nashville, TN.

Here is my current list for 82 (Last week I could see nothing apart from 2 and 3 which are not on Nimiq 4)

01 0%
02 77%
03 93%
04 42%
05 0%
06 0%
07 0%
08 46%
09 42%
10 0%
11 0%
12 45%
13 41%
14 0%
15 0%
16 46%
17 42%
18 0%
19 0%
20 44%
21 41%
22 0%
23 0%
24 45%
25 41%
26 0%
27 0%
28 46%
29 42%
30 0%
31 0%
32 46%

The dish is the standard Bell Dual LNB which I believe is 20 or 22 inches.

Also note: these strengths are as shown on my old deactivated 4700 connected to the SW44. For some reason my 9242 cannot consistently pull in TP17, 21, 29.

I am in Colorado Springs, CO which is about 100 miles North of where you are. Also I am at about 8500ft-9000ft above sea level, if that makes any difference.

 

[OnlineLC]

I am in Colorado Springs, CO which is about 100 miles North of where you are. Also I am at about 8500ft-9000ft above sea level, if that makes any difference.

Thanks, kind of interesting that between us we only have TP 2 and 3 in common which is not even coming from Nimiq 4.

Elevation should not make a difference so I guess Bell are just aiming things differently for the various transponders. No idea why though as I would have thought they would try and make all transponders somewhat the same.

 

[i4tas]

Finally pull my receiver out after having it put on hold since July. I live just south of Richmond, va and I get transponders 2,3,8,9,12,13,16,17,20,21,22,24,25,26,28,29,30, and 32. On 2 i get 64 and on 3 I get 98. All the others are in the upper 40's to around 52. Dont know if this is a true signal though since i dont think the 82 sat is skew in right since even last year every time it rained I lost signal while i had no problem with the 91. So the worst i would probaly have to do is get a bigger dish for the 82. Right? Dennis

using a 20" dish on 82 I can lock tp3 @ 90%.... I get zero on everything else.

I am in crozet, va NW of Richmond. Are you still getting the same results? what size dish do you have? I can't imagine a footprint that covers richmond but not a few miles west and an hour north.