As the thread starter, I whole-heartedly agree! I had been been hoping that this thread would simply get merged with the other thread(s) about the Nexstar dispute. However, since this thread started first, that would mean that the press releases that started the other threads would get buried deep in the combined thread. I have no objection to changing this thread's title. I started a similar thread last year about a possible Gray Media Group dispute, but those channels never actually got dropped. So, the "looming" remained appropriate for that thread until it was known that the possibility of those channels getting dropped any time soon had passed. For this thread, now that the Nexstar channels are gone, how about changing the thread title to: "Nexstar channels dropped... I warned you first!"
Exactly how "gone" they are I'm now not so sure. In the last day, it looks like they're coming and going. Maybe DiSH is actively switching back and forth between station content and their propaganda as some kind of strategy to keep people tuning in to the situation and not just throwing up hands altogether. (???)
In any event, I did not put "gone" in my proposed thread title. The channels were indeed "dropped" (note that I was also careful not to say dropped by whom, since that is also a frequent point of argument in these threads) so my proposed new title still works.
I didn't mean to comment on the thread title. Just to note my local observation seems odd. I thought at first they had come to agreement because it was back on, but then it was off again, then on again.
Dish actually did that with four Disney HD feeds, many years ago, around 2008 if I remember correctly. There was a dispute over whether Dish's contract with Disney actually allowed Dish to carry those HD feeds, and Disney did sue Dish to get them to stop broadcasting them. It took a few years before it was time for Dish to negotiate a new contract with Disney. So those HD feeds remained missing for the remainder of the old contact, until the new contract was finally reached.
According to Sinclair, local KATU Portland was dropped by Dish in reality as they could not keep KATU up without a new contract. KATU's engineer told me, the station feed was very much available, but again, no contract no station. Otherwise Dish would certainly be immediately sued by the corporation with the dispute.
I remember the feeds were pulled in summer of 2010 - I got Dish in 2009 and the feeds were there - I don't know the timeline of the lawsuit but maybe it started in 2008 and was resolved in 2010 and they had to remove the feeds. To this day, we have not gotten Disney XD back in HD. We did get the other 3 back in HD with the new contract (ESPNews, ABC Family (now Freeform), and Disney Channel) and also finally got ESPNU in HD for the first time.
Yes, that is what I meant: Dish started carrying those HD feeds in 2008. Dish had a "most favored nation" clause in their contract with Disney, meaning that if Disney gave a better deal to another distributor, then they had to match that deal with Dish. If I am remembering the details correctly, Disney gave Directv a deal for the same price that Dish was paying for the channels, but Directv's deal also included those four HD feeds. So, Dish was like, "Hey, you had better give us those feeds now, too!" There was a dispute over the exact meaning of the "most favored nation" language, as to whether it only referred to the price and which specific channels were included, or whether it also included the resolution (SD / HD) of the feeds being provided. Disney thought that they were not obligated to provide those HD feeds to Dish (and eventually prevailed) but Disney continued to send the feeds to Dish anyway, just in case they were found to be obligated to let Dish have them.
Instead of saying Dish "dropped" a station, which is just a technical matter based on a legal issue, it would be clearer to say the station "withdrew permission" for Dish to carry their station.
New thread title:
That settles it then. In the dispute how can it be Dish's fault? If they had permission they would still be rebroadcastingNew thread title:
"Nexstar channels withdrew permission from Dish... I warned you first!"
I noticed that, too. I thought that was simply because WGN America was not included in my Dish programming package, even before the dispute. On the other hand, their message about my local Fox affiliate (WJW) is plastered all over Dish Promise, even though I normally don't subscribe to locals, either. (I do add the locals on the days when I want to watch something on CW.) However, the Dish Promise Nexstar message does contain the same wording about WGN America from the press release (prominently available in the first post of a couple of other Nexstar threads, if you want to read the entire press release):
You were saying?
Looks like they're owned locally, although they operate some Naples channels.You were saying?
New Uplinks / Mappings – Channels Available
5171 LOCAL (11 HD Local) CARRIAGE DISPUTE added to 129° 4s54 (South Florida) (HD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden) AVAILABLE DRM – VOD Link – xED
5171 LOCAL (11 HD Local) CARRIAGE DISPUTE added to 61.5° 26s41 (S Florida) (HD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden) AVAILABLE DRM – VOD Link – xED
9216 LOCAL (11 Local) CARRIAGE DISPUTE added to 110° 4s1 (South Florida) (SD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden) AVAILABLE DRM – VOD Link – xED
Uplinks Removed
5171 WINK (11 HD Local) FORT MYERS, FL (CBS) removed from 129° 4s54 (South Florida) (HD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden)
5171 WINK (11 HD Local) FORT MYERS, FL (CBS) removed from 61.5° 26s41 (S Florida) (HD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden)
9216 WINK (11 Local) FORT MYERS, FL (CBS) removed from 110° 4s1 (South Florida) (SD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden)
I told you some kind of dispute was upcoming for Dish in the Fort Myers market. And great timing, too, right before the Super Bowl.
The station is owned by the McBride family and their Fort Myers Broadcasting Company, making it one of a handful of TV stations today to have locally-based ownership. This thread is about Nexstar right?You were saying?
New Uplinks / Mappings – Channels Available
5171 LOCAL (11 HD Local) CARRIAGE DISPUTE added to 129° 4s54 (South Florida) (HD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden) AVAILABLE DRM – VOD Link – xED
5171 LOCAL (11 HD Local) CARRIAGE DISPUTE added to 61.5° 26s41 (S Florida) (HD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden) AVAILABLE DRM – VOD Link – xED
9216 LOCAL (11 Local) CARRIAGE DISPUTE added to 110° 4s1 (South Florida) (SD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden) AVAILABLE DRM – VOD Link – xED
Uplinks Removed
5171 WINK (11 HD Local) FORT MYERS, FL (CBS) removed from 129° 4s54 (South Florida) (HD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden)
5171 WINK (11 HD Local) FORT MYERS, FL (CBS) removed from 61.5° 26s41 (S Florida) (HD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden)
9216 WINK (11 Local) FORT MYERS, FL (CBS) removed from 110° 4s1 (South Florida) (SD Fort Myers, FL market Hidden)
I told you some kind of dispute was upcoming for Dish in the Fort Myers market. And great timing, too, right before the Super Bowl.
It was, but that dispute is long over now. I was simply proving that I had taken upcoming disputes into account when I was posting my earlier list of markets with no local disputes on Dish. The new thread about the Fort Myers dispute had not yet been started at the time when I posted here.
