new receiver time

[mdram]

im still debating this.

with all the new stuff coming out i don't think now is the correct time to actually buy anything

i may just do the denon 510bt, as its relatively cheap, and can be replaced in a year or 2 without much regret

 

[jayn_j]

Well, it is the job of the industry to always have something new coming out. Their best customers absolutely have to have the best and the greatest. That said, I tend to agree. I am waiting until most receivers have the new HDMI and HDCP requirements incorporated. I believe that will be happening at CES in January so most new receivers should be on the shelves by February.

Teachsac, I was wondering how you make the call that the Onkyo calibration system is inferior. This stuff seems to gain traction out of rumors, so I was wondering if you had any pointers to lab data. I have owned several Onkyo sets and currently have a 605 and 806 receiver that have been trouble free for years. I went through the overheating thing with the 605 where folks were complaining heavily. I did thermal profiling at the time and no part of my receiver ever went over 90 degF. When pressed, some folks admitted that their receivers had been in tight cabinets with little ventilation. I don't have direct experience on the HDMI issue, so can't comment there. But I do see time and again how a couple of posts can kill a brand's reputation.

Having said that, I might still go Denon, but I do think you do get a bit more bang for the buck from Onkyo.

 

[mdram]

onkyo knows there was a problem
heres a thread on another forum

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...units-extending-warrranties-until-2018-a.html

im still debating
seems its a chip for some issues, and bad caps for another

 

[mdram]

i am back looking at a denon 510bt, and yamaha 379

the issue with the yamaha is only 1 hdmi port is hdcp 2.2, id prefer at least 2 or 3, preferably all

the 510 doesnt have arc, but has everything else i want/need
i looked at a 710, its out of my range atm
now if they only had a 610 it would fit the bill

 

[teachsac]

Bench/lab test... no. Personal experience setting up a couple of the newer models... yes. I found bass management to be poor.

 

[jayn_j]

Bench/lab test... no. Personal experience setting up a couple of the newer models... yes. I found bass management to be poor.

Thanks. That helps.

 

[jevans64]

I think a contributing factor to all those HDMI board failures in Onkyo gear was because Onkyo was using more powerful transformers in their mid-range receivers vs. the competition. For the last couple of years, Onkyo has caved to pricing pressure and now their transformers are more in line with the likes of Pioneer, Yamaha, and Denon/Marantz. HDMI board failures are a problem across all manufacturers but Onkyo was having more trouble because their transformers were generating more heat than the typical E&I ones used in other brands. Even Denon's top X7200WA has gone to the less efficient E&I transformer and is relatively weak compared to all their previous flagship receivers. I know. I have one and also use an external amp. The Denon drags the whole system down because every speaker has to be calibrated to what the weak amp in the Denon can provide to the speakers using it.

Onkyo's room correction isn't up to snuff vs. Audyssey but that should improve the longer they use it. Onkyo's main reason, besides the licensing fee, was that their processors could no longer handle Audyssey and process Dolby Atmos. Dropping Audyssey allowed them to implement Atmos without upgrading hardware. Denon chose to upgrade the hardware on their Atmos units and continue to use Audyssey.

I still think the OP should shoot for a Denon X1200 or X2200 to get MultEQ XT. I think the S510 slots under the X1200 and the S710 is similar to the X1200 without MultEQ XT and the S910 would be close to the X2200.

 

[mdram]

forgot to update this, i went with a denon x2100, for 329
i wanted the extra features, but didnt opt for full 4k compatibility at this time

 

[goaliebob99]

I own a Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A3050, this has everything including DTS X and Dolby Atmos. You cant go wrong with this one. I love mine. More on the expensive side though.

 

[riffjim4069]

Okay, I've been a Yamaha receive guy for the past 35-years and it's time to get purchase another one since I picked-up a 4K TV and my choice is the esteemed Aventage RX-A3050, which I was hoping it would replace my existing RX-V3300. The problem I'm having is the RX-V3300 supports two sets of main speakers (A/B) in which I have pairs of Klipsch KLF-30s and Klipsch KLF-10s with another pair of KLF-10s as rears, KLF-C7 center, etc. However, the RX-A3050 does supports only one pair of main speakers...and I listen to a butt-load of 2-channel audio at insanely loud volumes (live on a 3-acre lot) and I can't figure-out whether the Aventege receiver can be configured to drive 2 pairs of mail speakers at 150W. And I don't feel like bi-amping. Any suggestions from those familiar with the Aventege receivers (without an A/B button powering two sets of main front speakers)?

Also, I am ordering a pair of Klipsch RF-7 II reference speakers to replace the front KLF-10s (which I will relocate to the master bedroom) so I want the RX-A3050 to drove two pairs of mains for 2-channel audio: KLF-30s and RF-7 IIs). These speakers are no par performance wise...just a different sounds profile. Thanks in advance...I'm not taking a trip to Crutchfield's for several more weeks so any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[gadgtfreek]

Just want to note the RF7ii's sound great running 2 channel audio.

 

[harshness]

Any suggestions from those familiar with the Aventege receivers (without an A/B button powering two sets of main front speakers)?

The A3050 offers a Zone 2 that uses the rear surround channels to power speakers. This is pretty common among 9 channel receivers and may serve your purposes although I have my doubts about the technology and oomph behind rear channel amps when it comes to rocking the house.

There is a whole lot of technology of questionable utility going on in this receiver and I suspect it may behoove you to buy two lesser receivers to accomplish the two decidedly different goals.

 

[mdram]

The A3050 offers a Zone 2 that uses the rear surround channels to power speakers. This is pretty common among 9 channel receivers and may serve your purposes although I have my doubts about the technology and oomph behind rear channel amps when it comes to rocking the house.

There is a whole lot of technology of questionable utility going on in this receiver and I suspect it may behoove you to buy two lesser receivers to accomplish the two decidedly different goals.

shouldnt all amps be the same?
on my denon you can change zone to to front b

 

[harshness]

shouldnt all amps be the same?

That's what they're trying to imply, but I've seen receivers with more detailed specifications that suggest that not all channels are treated the same in terms of amperage capability and S/N ratios. Maybe they are all the same with the Yamaha but the specifications do mention power numbers based on two channels driven so I'm dubious.

 

[jayn_j]

There is a whole lot of technology of questionable utility going on in this receiver and I suspect it may behoove you to buy two lesser receivers to accomplish the two decidedly different goals.

My strategy is to take the old equipment and push it down to the second best location. second best goes to third. Last one goes to goodwill as it ain't worth nothing. True for receivers, speakers, media players, etc.

I tried second zone many years ago and decided it was not worth the complexity and family unfriendly issues.

 

[harshness]

I tried second zone many years ago and decided it was not worth the complexity and family unfriendly issues.

Ease-of-use often favors dedicated systems. No special protocols or conventions, you just turn it on and go.

With my system, using some bass roll-off allows full-sized speakers to sound a little more like fronts.

 

[riffjim4069]

The A3050 offers a Zone 2 that uses the rear surround channels to power speakers. This is pretty common among 9 channel receivers and may serve your purposes although I have my doubts about the technology and oomph behind rear channel amps when it comes to rocking the house.

There is a whole lot of technology of questionable utility going on in this receiver and I suspect it may behoove you to buy two lesser receivers to accomplish the two decidedly different goals.

Yeah, I'm just not sure if Zone 2 is cable to driving the new speakers with as much raw power as the mains...but I'll research. I called Crutchfield's but the guy wasn't very helpful. However, the store is only an hour away so I may take a drive there on Friday.

I ordered the Yamaha RX-A3050 Avantege (it will be here on Thursday) and also two pairs of Klipsch RF-7 II main speakers (arrive on Friday). I'm actually very happy (okay, I'm still ecstatic) with my Klipsch KLF surrounds (KLF-30s, KLF10s, KLF C7, etc.) so I will most likely hook them up to the new Yammy and, perhaps, hookup the new Klipsch speakers to my old Yamaha RX-A3300, which is a monster on its own, for 2-channel audio. The only problem is the old Yammy doesn't have all the cool new apps and network (like Spotify) and my Tivo has a horrific Spotify App.

Anyway, I haven't messed-around with using two separate amps to drive separate speakers in probably 15-16 years back when I had my Yamaha RX-V2095 (one of their first home theater receivers) and Yamaha M-70/C-70 (amp) driving my Klipsch KLFs along with a pair of JBL Studio Monitors. We'll see...