New Home Wiring Advice

[MikeD-C05]

If you are still in the middle of building your new home, now is the time to run conduit for your satellite dish and OTA coax. Research your OTA signals to determine if the antenna can be installed in the attic. Run both OTA and dish coax in conduit hidden in the walls to your central structured media panel so they will not be on the side of your house. Duo Node would be better to put in your media panel so it is out of the weather and easier to troubleshoot your Dish system when required. All TV locations would be nice to have at least two coax from your media panel for future proofing. You never know if you want to move a Hopper to different location. That way there will be a coax for OTA and Satellite. Hoppers cannot sync recordings. So if you want to sync to another TV, the Hopper does not have built in modulators like their past DVRs had. So, you will need coax for RF modulators to run to your central system. Now is the time to install Cat6 to all rooms. It is nice to have a choice to run things wireless or hard wired. When I rewired my home getting her ready for Dish TV, I ran four coax to three Hopper positions. One each coax for satellite, OTA, modulated out, and modulated in signal. Also ran Cat cable to the Hoppers and Joey. All cables run to my central redneck media center. Here is my setup.

Boy ,that board looks like you are running enough cable & switches for a small apartment building. IMPRESSIVE!:up

 

[charlesrshell]

Boy ,that board looks like you are running enough cable & switches for a small apartment building. IMPRESSIVE!:up

LOL, no apartment, just bunches of old TVs.

 

[dare2be]

Hogwash!

MoCA is all below 1GHz. The high frequency, high amperage link is uniquely between the LNB assembly and the Duo node. The rest can be pretty much whatever. Since this is a new wire, it makes sense to install good cable, but it certainly isn't required for the modern whole home systems.

I would also dispute that coaxial cable is considered a common point of failure. Properly installed cable will last longer than most will need to worry about.

There was no need to add a title to your post on the first line.

 

[harshness]

Also Super Joey will need RG6 2150, no RG59.

There are a number of choices in the RG59 domain that are good to 3GHz. Absent the voltage loss concerns, these should work just fine (if that's what you happen to have handy). What about the Super Joey makes you think it needs to provide lots of current upstream?

 

[agentc13]

There are a number of choices in the RG59 domain that are good to 3GHz. Absent the voltage loss concerns, these should work just fine (if that's what you happen to have handy). What about the Super Joey makes you think it needs to provide lots of current upstream?

For the SJ, the installation rules say rg6 2150 mhz. No rg59. Same with the TV1 feed for a VIP or the 3ghz to a Hopper.

TV2s and Joeys can be RG59.


Now that isn't to say it won't work, but as a tech, we can't use it unless it's approved.

 

[nydiver]

Series 59 cable can create intermod within the cable, yielding 6MHz beats and raising the noise floor. At lower freq's its fine, but as you increase in frequency(> 1GHz) there is more propensity to create the CPD-Intermod issues.

Also Dish (and Direct) is not MoCA, its a proprietary multi-room scheme using a carrier at ~840MHz (around 2MHz for Direct). MoCA is a system whose architecture is designed from 1125MHz to 1675MHz to be out of the forward band used now and in the foreseeable future for CATV. They are not compatible nor compliant with each other.

 

[harshness]

Also Dish (and Direct) is not MoCA, its a proprietary multi-room scheme using a carrier at ~840MHz (around 2MHz for Direct). MoCA is a system whose architecture is designed from 1125MHz to 1675MHz to be out of the forward band used now and in the foreseeable future for CATV. They are not compatible nor compliant with each other.

You're completely wrong about this (including the center frequency that DIRECTV uses for DECA).

http://www.mocalliance.org/news/pr_100420_MoCA_adds_Mid_RF_Frequencies_to_MoCA_1.1.php

MoCA 1.1 added two bands in the UHF area for DBS use. One band, designated "E band", is centered at 550MHz is a little over 100MHz wide. The other, designated "F band", is 200MHz wide centered around 750MHz.

http://www.mocalliance.org/marketin...ecification_for_Device_RF_Characteristics.pdf

DIRECTV's DECA uses MoCA in the E band (channel E3) and DISH uses MoCA in the F band.

For further confirmation about DISH's use of MoCA, here's a video that was recorded at the 2013 CES featuring Michael Hawkey of Echostar talking about the Hopper and Joey using MoCA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mweIFOrYzIg

 

[foghorn2]

Threads about giving advise for new cable runs in new home, not whose right about Moca.
Advice has been given, now its up to the op to consider his options.

 

[harshness]

Threads about giving advise for new cable runs in new home, not whose right about Moca.
Advice has been given, now its up to the op to consider his options.

In that the ultimate choice depends on what is or isn't needed, the additional information is useful.