They are listed in the HD channels section. Thus the reason everyone is talking about them.
As far as MSG HD goes from my memory it is on DIRECTV, however for live games the games are not available.
I caught your sarcasm there Scott...Absolutely nothing new!! Your right!
Plus, I have the Hockey package, plus sports pack soley for MSGHD..
I cant remember the last time Ive seen a live Ranger game...that was not blacked out MSG feed. Now they also black out the standard channel..
What a waste of money..Im sorry I threw it out.