NCAA says that Tressell is NOT "forthright"...

[Ronnie-]

So the record against the SEC in bowl games takes a step back

Is it 0-9 or is it now 0-10?

 

[Hall]

If SEC folks want to take that as a "win", go for it !

 

[Ronnie-]

If SEC folks want to take that as a "win", go for it !

Haha, Just happy that the record is intact.

 

[Derwin0]

Don't forget the other streak

Ohio State to vacate its wins from 2010 season - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN

Not only is the entire 2010 season wiped out along with the Sugar Bowl, but so is the university's seven-game winning streak over rival Michigan.

 

[Derwin0]

So much for Tressel's fine...

Ohio State waives fine, instead will pay Tressel $52,250 | BuckeyeXtra

Former Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel asked the university to allow him to retire instead of resign so he could be a Buckeye for the rest of his life, his attorney, Rex Elliott, said this afternoon.
"It leaves no doubt about his love for Ohio State and his desires to be a Buckeye forever," Elliott said.
Tressel officially retired from Ohio State on June 30, according to an agreement outlining his terms of departure that was signed today by the former coach and OSU President E. Gordon Gee.
Ohio State announced his resignation as head coach on May 30 amid increasingly bad publicity after Gee had proclaimed that Tressel wouldn't be fired even though had not revealed that he knew that at least two of his players had sold football memorabilia or traded them for tattoos, which are NCAA violations.
His contract was to expire on Jan. 31, 2015. If he had stayed, Tressel would have received about $3.6 million for the coming season.
Besides agreeing to change his resignation to retirement, Ohio State backed off its vow to collect a $250,000 fine for violating NCAA rules. Tressel argued that he had paid enough, Elliott said.
"Stepping down after 10 years as the Buckeyes' head coach will cost him far more than $250,000," he said.
Before his resignation, Tressel was to have been sanctioned with a five-game suspension in addition to being fined.
Instead, the university will pay him $52,250 - the equivalent of the salary and benefits he would have earned through the end of June 30th.
OSU's decision to drop the fine goes against an assertion by Gee last month that Tressel would be required to pay no matter what the other terms of his departure were.
"We've levied a $250,000 fine against the coach, and he will pay that," Gee told The Dispatch on June 11th.
Gee could not be reached this afternoon.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

So the record against the SEC in bowl games takes a step back

Is it 0-9 or is it now 0-10?

When the NCAA vacates wins, it doesn't mean losses for the offending team, or victories for the opponents:

Do you know how many statistical categories are affected by "vacating" wins? One, coaching victories. Vacating wins doesn't change teams' records or statistics, nor does it change the records or stats of the opponents it faced. It just means the NCAA will put an asterisk next to your team. For instance, Michigan was forced to vacate a few wins over Bob Knight's Indiana squad from 1992 and 1993. However, Knight did not get to add these games to his win total because Michigan's vacated wins would not count as actual losses unless the NCAA ruled that Michigan needed to "forfeit" the games.

Vacating Wins: An Empty Punishment - NESN University - NESN.com

 

[Hall]

I think it was stated by others in this thread, but no school wants a "win" in this fashion. And to plead OSU's case, it's not like the players were doped up on steroids or drugs that made them play better. Go ahead, bring up the weed allegations .... and then show how weed "enhances" a person's abilities. They're ineligible because they sold (material) "stuff".

 

[cosmo_kramer]

I think it was stated by others in this thread, but no school wants a "win" in this fashion. And to plead OSU's case, it's not like the players were doped up on steroids or drugs that made them play better. Go ahead, bring up the weed allegations .... and then show how weed "enhances" a person's abilities. They're ineligible because they sold (material) "stuff".

As stated earlier in this thread:

It helped them potentially not lose games. If Tressel had done what he was supposed to do and report the infractions, it would most likely have meant in-season suspensions for the players involved. Some of those wins might have had a different outcome without some key players....

So, OSU saves a few potential losses by not reporting and suspending the players in question, but has to vacate wins and loses their coach over the whole ordeal. If those supposed suspension games were early season games, OSU probably wouldn't have skipped a beat and had their better players ready for the big games later in the season. Oh well...

 

[salsadancer7]

So much for Tressel's fine...

Ohio State waives fine, instead will pay Tressel $52,250 | BuckeyeXtra

It leaves no doubt that he did not "resign with dignity", he was forced out because he was not planning to leave. Funny how BALLSY the president of Ohio State was about the fine earlier, with his bravado": "We've levied a $250,000 fine against the coach, and he will pay that".... Then folded like a cheap tent where he could not be reached for comment.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

It leaves no doubt that he did not "resign with dignity", he was forced out because he was not planning to leave. Funny how BALLSY the president of Ohio State was about the fine earlier, with his bravado": "We've levied a $250,000 fine against the coach, and he will pay that".... Then folded like a cheap tent where he could not be reached for comment.

What a tool. Isn't that the same guy who:

Last fall, Gee suggested that college football teams like Boise State were not worthy of playing for a Bowl Championship Series title because major schools like Ohio State don't play the "Little Sisters of the Poor."

"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

The Toledo-based group is on a mission to care for the poor elderly across Ohio.

Ohio State's President Apologizes For 'Little Sisters' Comment | WBNS-10TV, Central Ohio News

It was Gee who was asked back in March whether the school would fire Tressel, already caught hiding important information about rule-breaking within his program. Gee's lame quip of a response: "I hope he doesn't fire me."

Ohio State president loses credibility in Tressel case - Philly.com

 

[salsadancer7]

What a tool. Isn't that the same guy who:



Ohio State's President Apologizes For 'Little Sisters' Comment | WBNS-10TV, Central Ohio News



Ohio State president loses credibility in Tressel case - Philly.com

LMAO!!!

 

[SamCdbs]

Congratulations to Marshall, Miami (the real one, not the one in Ohio), THE Ohio University, Eastern Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, THE Pennsylvania State University, Iowa, Michigan, and Arkansas.

What an empty gesture. Of course, no one is going to accept that these results "really" happened.

Outlaw State is proposing, esentually, no penalty. Perhaps its fallback will be to put Cincinnati and Toledo on probation.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Congratulations to Marshall, Miami (the real one, not the one in Ohio), THE Ohio University, Eastern Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, THE Pennsylvania State University, Iowa, Michigan, and Arkansas.

What an empty gesture. Of course, no one is going to accept that these results "really" happened.

Outlaw State is proposing, esentually, no penalty. Perhaps its fallback will be to put Cincinnati and Toledo on probation.

Why congratulations?? Did you see post #366??

 

[Jimbo]

Why congratulations?? Did you see post #366??

Isn't it Obvious ?

 

[SamCdbs]

Outlaw State should check the sports pages. On the same day as it threw The Liar under the proverbal bus and proposed its token penalty, West Virginia got two years of probation, a loss of a scholarship and a fine for the misdemeanor level offenses of running illegal practices and exceding the number of coaches by labeling the extra coaches with other job titles.

Contrast this to running a program where you play professional players, which is what Outlaw State has admitted to doing.

Nice try, but fail.

Hopefully Outlaw State's 2012 and 2013 records will be 0-0.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Isn't it Obvious ?

No

 

[mccoyrj]

I've never understood the "vacating wins" penalty. It just changes the record book, that's all. How else does it penalize a school for violations?

 

[salsadancer7]

I've never understood the "vacating wins" penalty. It just changes the record book, that's all. How else does it penalize a school for violations?

Yeah...giving up no scholarships and no bowl appearances. That is a bull$#!7 "self impossed" punishment. They wanna "supposedly" show it was more or less Tressell's fault, yet they pay his fine AND give him the balance of his salary for the year. It just PROVES there is "no institutional control" when they are clueless on how or who to put the blame on! No balls by the university whatsoever!

 

[Derwin0]

Yeah...giving up no scholarships and no bowl appearances. That is a bull$#!7 "self impossed" punishment. They wanna "supposedly" show it was more or less Tressell's fault, yet they pay his fine AND give him the balance of his salary for the year. It just PROVES there is "no institutional control" when they are clueless on how or who to put the blame on! No balls by the university whatsoever!

*cough*hush*cough*money.

But I know what you mean, it's a bogus penalty, and one the NCAA will see past.
btw, what exactly does a self-impossed probation do when there are no penalties? When Georgia did that to itself in Basketball, they at least banned themselves from the tournament, television appearances, and reduced schalorships on their own.

 

[Jimbo]

Yeah...giving up no scholarships and no bowl appearances. That is a bull$#!7 "self impossed" punishment. They wanna "supposedly" show it was more or less Tressell's fault, yet they pay his fine AND give him the balance of his salary for the year. It just PROVES there is "no institutional control" when they are clueless on how or who to put the blame on! No balls by the university whatsoever!

I somewhat disagree ...
Why throw the book at yourself when the NCAA may NOT give you as much ?

Had they offered to take away scholarships and bowl appearances, what would that leave the NCAA to do to them ? More of the same ?

This way, if the NCAA isn't happy with it (and I doubt they will be) they can then take away the scholarships and or bowl games.