The rumor is that DISH asked him to shut it down.
MPEG2 Western Arc shutoff
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I suppose there could be a bit of propritary information in these links and there was certainly a lot of speculation here at SatGuys that sometimes proved to be counterintuitive to what DISH was after.
There were some major changes today on Western Arc. First, a bunch of the national channels no longer have their SD equivalents. But even more interesting is that Dish has moved all their HD sports channel feeds they use for the sport packages from the 129 satellite to the 110 satellite. No more SD channels for NBA League Pass, MLB Extra Innings, and NHL Center Ice. All HD and available nationally.
129 has a very short life span left.
A lot has happened today....lot of SD removals from some big channels - ESPN, Disney Channel, FOX News, Fox Sports 1, SEC and ACC Network, etc.
| Channel | Type | Network | Now | Was |
| 6005 | Music | SXM05 | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 6006 | Music | SXM06 | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 6007 | Music | SXM07 | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 106 | SD | TV Land | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 127 | SD | Oxygen | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 161 | SD | MTV2 | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 168 | SD | Disney Jr | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 169 | SD | Nick Jr | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 173 | SD | Disney Channel (West) | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 174 | SD | DisneyXD | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 175 | SD | Boomerang | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 178 | SD | NickToons | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 181 | SD | Teen Nick | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 250 | SD | ION | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 835 | SD | Telemundo | 110, TP 3 | 119, TP 15 |
| 291 | SD | Start | 110, TP 5 | 110, TP 1 |
| 925 | Music | Aud3 | 119, TP 16 | 119, TP 15 |
| 934 | Music | Aud11 | 119, TP 16 | 119, TP 15 |
| 956 | Music | CD7 | 119, TP 16 | 119, TP 15 |
| 957 | Music | CD8 | 119, TP 16 | 119, TP 15 |
| 293 | SD | Hero and Icon | 119, TP 16 | 110, TP 1 |
| 252 | SD | Law and Crime | 129, TP 26 | 110, TP 1 |
| 345 | SD | Encore Black | 129, TP 26 | 110, TP 1 |
| 387 | SD | FMC | 129, TP 26 | 110, TP 1 |
| 828 | SD | Univision West | 129, TP 26 | 110, TP 1 |
| 346 | SD | Encore Classic | 129, TP 27 | 110, TP 2 |
| 292 | SD | MGM+D | 129, TP 29 | 110, TP 1 |
| 359 | SD | Bounce | 129, TP27 | 110, TP 2 |
| 125 | SD | FXX | N/A | 129, TP 26 |
| 136 | SD | FX | N/A | 110, TP 3 |
| 137 | SD | QVC | N/A | 129, TP 27 |
| 140 | SD | ESPN | N/A | 129, TP 20 |
| 141 | SD | ESPNU | N/A | 129, TP 23 |
| 142 | SD | ESPNews | N/A | 129, TP 23 |
| 143 | SD | ESPN2 | N/A | 129, TP 20 |
| 149 | SD | Fox Sports 2 | N/A | 129, TP 27 |
| 150 | SD | Fox Sports 1 | N/A | 129, TP 23 |
| 157 | SD | NHL Network | N/A | 129, TP 27 |
| 172 | SD | Disney Channel | N/A | 110, TP 3 |
| 180 | SD | Free Form | N/A | 129, TP 29 |
| 190 | SD | NatGeo Wild | N/A | 110, TP 5 |
| 197 | SD | NatGeo | N/A | 110, TP 5 |
| 205 | SD | Fox News | N/A | 110, TP 3 |
| 206 | SD | Fox Business | N/A | 129, TP 26 |
| 340 | SD | Encore | N/A | 129, TP 20 |
| 380 | SD | MGM + | N/A | 110, TP 5 |
| 384 | SD | FXM | N/A | 129, TP 26 |
| 402 | SD | ACC Network | N/A | 129, TP 20 |
| 408 | SD | SEC Network | N/A | 129, TP 27 |
| 410 | SD | Big 10 | N/A | 129, TP 27 |
| 588 | SD | Big 10 Alternate | N/A | 110, TP 24 |
| 589 | SD | Big 10 Alternate | N/A | 129, TP 25 |
| 590 | SD | Big 10 Alternate | N/A | 129, TP 25 |
| 591 | SD | Big 10 Alternate | N/A | 129, TP 27 |
| 592 | SD | PAC 12 Alternate | N/A | 110, TP 24 |
| 593 | SD | PAC 12 Alternate | N/A | 110, TP 24 |
| 594 | SD | PAC 12 Alternate | N/A | 110, TP 24 |
| 595 | SD | PAC 12 Alternate | N/A | 110, TP 24 |
| 596 | SD | SEC Network Alternate | N/A | 110, TP 24 |
| 597 | SD | SEC Network Alternate | N/A | 110, TP 24 |
So what about the spotbeams on 129. Will they still use the satellite at another location like 119 or 110 and still use the spotbeams off of them? My locals for my home town are on 129 satellite spotbeam.
As far as bandwidth is concerned, there should be plenty of space for HD locals now that SD’s have (for the most part) vacated the spot beams on 110/119.
Now for life expectancy of the satellites, echo23 is replacing echo11 for CONUS service and from what I can see is incapable of spotbeams, meaning that for the time being echo10 will remain there. It’s two years older then echo11. Echo14 at 119 is 4 years newer then echo10 and capable of both CONUS and spotbeams, so it should be fine for the time being. Ciel2 at 129 is also capable of both CONUS and spotbeams but is just as old as echo11, making it kind of unreliable of a backup. Unless Dish is able to fit all of the necessary market’s on the spotbeams of 119, once echo10 goes out they may have an issue. This however should be posible now with MPEG4 as the spotbeams on echo16 at 61.5 contains all of the market’s for EA. If Dish were planing on one last satellite to launch, my guess is that it would replace echo14.
Their extra spot beam satellite -E18 - is sitting as spare at 61.5 but it's initial filngs was for 110 operation and can be moved there if needed.
If any customers are still on MPEG 2 only receivers what receivers are they currently being upgraded to? Hopper 2 or Hopper 3 I do know Hopper 3 is required for 4+ TVs in household lol. When is MPEG 2 suppose to end?
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As Bobby says, and as I originally reported, the rumor is that complete MPEG2 shutoff will be completed by the end of July. But again, that’s only a rumor.
What receivers are customers being upgraded to due to phase out of mpeg 2?
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From what I’ve seen, the favored receivers seems to be a Hopper3 or a Wally, with some kind of Joey for additional TVs. But others here can give a more exact sense of what most commonly gets put in during upgrade installs.
I myself have just updated from a VIP625 and a couple of VIP722s to a Hopper3. The VIP722s are MPEG4 compatible, and technically didn’t need to be replaced. But the VIP625 was MPEG2 only. And since I was going to replace the VIP625, I decided to update everything to the latest.
Not necessarily. I would say that most of the upgrades we’ve done have not been hopper threes, but having hopper twos. And work orders for Wallys are still pretty sparse.
As I suspected, you guys could give a better sense of what actually happens.
Ya, its all a matter of getting them into hop2 or 3 depending on what is warranted. And as Hip said, Wally's are always a last resort answer. Same with the Duo. haha
With my subscription, I get New York locals in SD from a CONUS feed. They have been on 119, transponder 20 (according to LyngSat). I'm extremely hopeful that when Dish is done with all of their changes to the WA that I will end up with these channels in HD. I got to thinking last night that since Dish is eliminating all MPEG-2 transmissions, that maybe I could check the LyngSat site to see what format they are currently being broadcast (my logic being that if they are in MPEG-2 now, that it is a good possibility that they are going to be changed to MPEG-4, and hopefully in HD). To my surprise, I saw that they have been removed from 119:
However, I can't figure out where they have been moved to (I still have them in SD). The LyngSat site doesn't show them anywhere else (that I can find).
Is there a way that I can look up where my receiver is picking up a channel? I have a Hopper 3 using the H343 software.
However, I can't figure out where they have been moved to (I still have them in SD). The LyngSat site doesn't show them anywhere else (that I can find).
Is there a way that I can look up where my receiver is picking up a channel? I have a Hopper 3 using the H343 software.
On your remote press Info & then Recall. That will get you the satellite the channel is on if that is what you want.
