Marlins fire Fredi Gonzalez
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Don't be surprised at anything Jeffrey Loria does. He didn't get along with Joe Girardi, he didn't get along with Fredi Gonzalez, and history says he probably won't get along with the next manager either. When you have to move to the Yankees for more stable ownership, that says something about Florida.
Gonzalez will land on his feet, he'll most likely be managing the Braves next year.
Sandra
Don't be surprised at anything Jeffrey Loria does. He didn't get along with Joe Girardi, he didn't get along with Fredi Gonzalez, and history says he probably won't get along with the next manager either. When you have to move to the Yankees for more stable ownership, that says something about Florida.
Gonzalez will land on his feet, he'll most likely be managing the Braves next year.
Sandra
Well he is a step up from Bobby Cox.
Don't be surprised at anything Jeffrey Loria does. He didn't get along with Joe Girardi, he didn't get along with Fredi Gonzalez, and history says he probably won't get along with the next manager either. When you have to move to the Yankees for more stable ownership, that says something about Florida.
Gonzalez will land on his feet, he'll most likely be managing the Braves next year.
Sandra
This had EVERYTHING to do with Hanley Ramirez AND the under achieving Marlins....Freddi was a scapegoat. And Loria has somewhat of a man crush Bobby Valentin and that is who MORE than likely going to be their new manager.
The timing was really odd- his last game was a game the Marlins WON by 6 runs.
Usually, a manager is fired when the team is in a slump.
Usually, a manager is fired when the team is in a slump.
You guys have NO CLUE! LOL!! ANd the scary part is...he has tamed it down a notch....!
Not bringing back Girardi was one of the stupidest moves they have made. That is saying a lot considering they do a lot of stupid movesDon't be surprised at anything Jeffrey Loria does. He didn't get along with Joe Girardi, he didn't get along with Fredi Gonzalez, and history says he probably won't get along with the next manager either. When you have to move to the Yankees for more stable ownership, that says something about Florida.
Gonzalez will land on his feet, he'll most likely be managing the Braves next year.
Sandra
Bobby is one of the best managers of all time
Bobby is a great finder of talent and a great regular season manager but he is horrible in a short series. You do not bring in Charlie Leibrandt (Game 6 in 91 and 92) to pitch to a right hand hitting batter two straight World Series, lose them both, and expect to be called a great manager.
I feel the same of Torre. Torre is very overrated and won because he managed a team that would win a WS no matter who was managing them. He does not know how to manage a pitching staff and bullpen.
At least Joe won a few WS where as Bobby, because of his poor managing, was only able to lead the Braves to one championship.
If Jeffrey Loria could not get along with Joe Girardi and Fredi Gonzalez, the mixture of Loria and Bobby Valentine would be priceless to watch. Jeffrey Loria is the Daniel Snyder of major league baseball.
Sandra
The Marlins have made some GREAT players moves and has NEVER over paid for ANY free agent considering the financial situation they have had in the past. You are using the wrong comparison.
Loria just did not like Girardi telling him the truth that to field a CONSISTANT World Series contending team, you gotta spend money. Joe would tell him how he felt regardless because he KNEW that he was gonna have a job as a manager because of his body of work.
Supposedly, Loria and Valentine are close personal friends...will it work, who knows. I am not convinced and Valentine to me is overrated manager with a colorful personality.
His body of work? How many years did Girardi manage in Florida for Snyder/Loria?
Sandra
His body of work meaning being named manager of the year, almost making the playoffs with a payroll under $15 million...or did we convientantly forget THAT?
THAT body of work....
hhhhmmmm....interesting....
Ramirez says he'll miss Gonzalez
Associated Press
MIAMI -- As the Florida Marlins' search for a manager continued Sunday, Hanley Ramirez wanted to clear the air about his relationship with the team's former skipper.
Yes, he and Fredi Gonzalez clashed at times, something that was no secret.
But the All-Star shortstop insists he wasn't thrilled to see Gonzalez fired last week.
"Everybody will miss him," Ramirez said Sunday at his locker before the Marlins played the San Diego Padres. "But at the same time, you've got to forget and move forward. A lot of people put it on me. I don't know why. It had nothing to do with me. Things that should have happened, happened. That's it."
Ramirez was benched in May by Gonzalez after the shortstop's lazy chase of a misplayed popup allowed the Arizona Diamondbacks to score two runs. Ramirez defended the play the next day, and said Gonzalez "doesn't understand" because "he never played in the major leagues."
Only after a series of clubhouse apologies was Ramirez allowed back into the lineup, and when Gonzalez was dismissed Wednesday, there was speculation that the shortstop could have played a role in the move. Ramirez strongly denied Sunday that was the case.
"Our relationship was good after that," Ramirez said. "Everything was good."
Ramirez said he and Gonzalez exchanged pleasant words after the firing was announced, denying reports that he celebrated Gonzalez's departure.
"He told me to just keep playing hard and keep doing your thing," Ramirez said. "We're going to see him soon. He's a good manager."
It's still a delicate time for the fourth-place Marlins, who were playing Sunday for the fifth time under interim manager Edwin Rodriguez, who will accompany the team to San Juan for a three-game series there starting Monday against the New York Mets and expects to keep filling out the lineup cards for those games.
"My priority is being the manager and finding a way to help this team get in the race," Rodriguez said. "That's number one."
The Marlins acknowledged interest last week in Bobby Valentine, though those talks have slowed. Florida officials also interviewed Arizona third-base coach Bo Porter on Friday.
SI.com reported Sunday that Valentine was no longer a candidate for the job. In his role as an analyst on ESPN, Valentine said the sides remain "right in the middle of the process."."
"We're taking it day by day," Marlins president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest said Sunday.
Valentine has talked with the Marlins at least twice, though it remains unknown when the next meeting will occur. He's not expected to be in San Juan during the series against the Mets, his most recent major-league club.
"I'm not hopeful one way or another," Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria said when asked about a hiring timeframe. "We have to do what we have to do and it's a process. Right now Edwin is the manager. We'll see what happens."
It was a rare pregame clubhouse appearance for Loria. Around the same time Ramirez was speaking, Loria emerged in the same corner as his shortstop and expressed his frustration with what he believes is unnecessarily negative media reports about the club, its expectations and the managerial search.
"It's fair to do whatever you think is constructive," Loria said, showing a level of emotion he typically doesn't display when talking with reporters. "But it's not fair to do destructive criticism. I can take anything."
Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press
Ramirez says he'll miss Gonzalez
Associated Press
MIAMI -- As the Florida Marlins' search for a manager continued Sunday, Hanley Ramirez wanted to clear the air about his relationship with the team's former skipper.
Yes, he and Fredi Gonzalez clashed at times, something that was no secret.
But the All-Star shortstop insists he wasn't thrilled to see Gonzalez fired last week.
"Everybody will miss him," Ramirez said Sunday at his locker before the Marlins played the San Diego Padres. "But at the same time, you've got to forget and move forward. A lot of people put it on me. I don't know why. It had nothing to do with me. Things that should have happened, happened. That's it."
Ramirez was benched in May by Gonzalez after the shortstop's lazy chase of a misplayed popup allowed the Arizona Diamondbacks to score two runs. Ramirez defended the play the next day, and said Gonzalez "doesn't understand" because "he never played in the major leagues."
Only after a series of clubhouse apologies was Ramirez allowed back into the lineup, and when Gonzalez was dismissed Wednesday, there was speculation that the shortstop could have played a role in the move. Ramirez strongly denied Sunday that was the case.
"Our relationship was good after that," Ramirez said. "Everything was good."
Ramirez said he and Gonzalez exchanged pleasant words after the firing was announced, denying reports that he celebrated Gonzalez's departure.
"He told me to just keep playing hard and keep doing your thing," Ramirez said. "We're going to see him soon. He's a good manager."
It's still a delicate time for the fourth-place Marlins, who were playing Sunday for the fifth time under interim manager Edwin Rodriguez, who will accompany the team to San Juan for a three-game series there starting Monday against the New York Mets and expects to keep filling out the lineup cards for those games.
"My priority is being the manager and finding a way to help this team get in the race," Rodriguez said. "That's number one."
The Marlins acknowledged interest last week in Bobby Valentine, though those talks have slowed. Florida officials also interviewed Arizona third-base coach Bo Porter on Friday.
SI.com reported Sunday that Valentine was no longer a candidate for the job. In his role as an analyst on ESPN, Valentine said the sides remain "right in the middle of the process."."
"We're taking it day by day," Marlins president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest said Sunday.
Valentine has talked with the Marlins at least twice, though it remains unknown when the next meeting will occur. He's not expected to be in San Juan during the series against the Mets, his most recent major-league club.
"I'm not hopeful one way or another," Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria said when asked about a hiring timeframe. "We have to do what we have to do and it's a process. Right now Edwin is the manager. We'll see what happens."
It was a rare pregame clubhouse appearance for Loria. Around the same time Ramirez was speaking, Loria emerged in the same corner as his shortstop and expressed his frustration with what he believes is unnecessarily negative media reports about the club, its expectations and the managerial search.
"It's fair to do whatever you think is constructive," Loria said, showing a level of emotion he typically doesn't display when talking with reporters. "But it's not fair to do destructive criticism. I can take anything."
Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press
His body of work meaning being named manager of the year, almost making the playoffs with a payroll under $15 million...or did we convientantly forget THAT?
THAT body of work....
Yeah, uh, except that Girardi was feuding with Loria DURING the 2006 season (his only season with Florida), he was fired October 3, 2006, and he was named manager of the year a month and a half after that.
So yes, I guess I conveniently forgot that Girardi was manager of the year WHILE he was feuding with Loria...because he wasn't.
Facts are your friend.
Sandra
