Manny AND Big Papi tested positive for Performing Enhancing Drugs in 2003!!!!
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And now they want to taint the World Series wins by the Red Sox. Good luck with that. You would have to prove that other players didn't juice during the same time period on other teams. Look at 2003 and 2004. Did Ortiz juice in 2004 and 2007? Ortiz need to explain this if it's true. But I don't like the slow drip of leaks coming out of names. It's time to release all the names.
Baseball is a game of statistics, records and titles.
Any record set by a player that tested positive for PED's will forever be tainted (cough, Bonds, cough).
At the same time, any title won on the heels of players who took PED's will be tainted. Sorry to say, but it's true.
This can't just be ignored. There was a clear advantage here. Statistics, records and titles are at stake. For love of game, I will not forget.
Any record set by a player that tested positive for PED's will forever be tainted (cough, Bonds, cough).
At the same time, any title won on the heels of players who took PED's will be tainted. Sorry to say, but it's true.
This can't just be ignored. There was a clear advantage here. Statistics, records and titles are at stake. For love of game, I will not forget.
After 87 years of putting up with the curse I think Boston fans would have taken a WS title any way they could get it; steroids, scuffed baseballs, corked bats, you name it. Just think now both the Red Sox and Patriots have tainted championships. Makes you wonder what the Celtics have been up to.
That's why all of the names need to come out. All of them. You will find players names on every team and fans can make that choice.
What does that have to do with the tea in china? Unless Greenwell was a PED user also....
I'm not buying the Patriots tainted championship argument. The whole videotaping thing was blown way out of proportion . If they recorded it and used the information during the game I would call it cheating. But they didn't. And don't teams change the signal calling after every game? You could watch the signals from the field .
Greenwell did chewing tobacco!!
I'm just saying that every time we give kudos to Canseco for identifying a cheather, fairness warrants that we point out that in his time, he was among the most obvious beneficiaries of chemical performance enhancement, but he hasn't given back anything that he shouldn't have won.
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Nomar said it best. We need to be cognizant of what the player did. We lump everyone one whom tested positive for something into one big cheat label and give them all the same punishment. Someone who takes a banned nutritional supplement from GNC is not the same as someone who shoots hormones into their ass. One was just absent minded while trying to get into better shape and the other is a true cheater.
This whole supplement industry is a racket IMO. This is just the logical conclusion of all this. Guys popping pills for every little thing. It's no wonder. You need a pHd in chemistry to know what's in this stuff. How about just quit taking any supplements? What's wrong with an ice pack and a massage? It's pathetic that athletes in the prime of their careers take more pills than an 80 year old man. But then again what do you expect? These are the same candy asses that wear goggles in the locker room during champagne celebrations.
This is damaging to baseball not because of the names but someone is leaking this slowly and painfully. That's not good. And after Ortiz make a statement about it I'm going to wait to see how he handles this. He seemed surprised but I thought all players were told about the test coming back positive. Hmm.
That's a very good point. He seemed genuinely surprised to me also.
But then again, he also showed indignation when he condemned the users in the first place.
It's getting so you don't know who to trust any more.
Why would the NEW YORK times release this now and it only be 2 players from that at the time played for the BOSTON red sox. Very fishy if you ask me, why not just release the whole list?
Sounds like Nomar was buying cover for himself. He is one of those guy who came back from the four month off-season break with a new body.
Remember that before Canseco published his allegations about McGwire being injected, McGwire admitted that he was being treated with something that was a "steroid precursor" to help himself recover from an injury. It was reported at the time that this steroid precursor eventually becomes a steroid after it is in the body, but that it might not violate the letter of the prohibition because it was prescribed by a doctor for a "legitimate" medical reason. Of course, we now know that the drugs that Michael Jackson was taking were also prescribed by a doctor for legitimate medical reasons, and so are a number of marijuana prescriptions written in California and elsewhere.
We are eventually going to find out that, at the very least, Nomar was taking a substance prescribed by a doctor to treat one of his ailments, and that makes it OK, even if the doctor knowingly overprescribed it.
On ESPN.com today, Canseco has changed his estimate of the portion of major leaguers taking performance enhancing drugs, initially 80% when his book came out four years ago, now up to 95%.
