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[Tampa8]

I think you misunderstood Scott's comment. I believe it should have read 'No, full hd using moca.' The no was in response to another member's question. I think he is affirming full hd using moca.

Certainly how I read it. It would be a blunder in my opinion to come out with a whole home solution now, and not have the outputs all be HD. Dish has possibly the most national channels in HD, and I think we are approaching the point where more people have all HD TV's in the house, or at the least people most likely to get this do.

 

[mrplow]

ATSC modulating is VERY expensive.


So how do Hotels do it ? Many have Dish or Direct and run HD over coax.

 

[pabeader]

ATSC modulating is VERY expensive.


So how do Hotels do it ? Many have Dish or Direct and run HD over coax.

each room has it's own 'receiver'. different equipment then what we use at home.

 

[harshness]

Excuse my ignorance please, but where does cable internet fall into that spectrum?

DOCSIS 3.0 can be anywhere in the 5-1008MHz range.

What frequencies your provider uses is up to them. The lowest frequencies (5-85MHz) are used for uplink.

 

[harshness]

So how do Hotels do it ? Many have Dish or Direct and run HD over coax.

Quadrature Amplitude Modulation (QAM).

 

[JM42]

ATSC modulating is VERY expensive.

I think the main reason it is very expensive is no one has done it on a mass/consumer market basis. A 922 probably has most of the components to do it if MPEG2 encoding was added to the "sling chip" if its not aleady there.

The really big stumbling block is probably the encryption/copy protection hurdles as mentioned. Technological hurdles are easy by comparison. No way content providers would go for it.

The other negative to the whole concept is why I have never liked the idea of Sling for MRV - the image would have to be rencoded/compressed by a consumer grade device on the fly - there would be a quality hit.

 

[JM42]

IS MOCA ACTUALLY REQUIRED?

If the house is already wired CAT5e/6 do you really need the coax?

 

[PATECO]

ATSC modulating is VERY expensive.


So how do Hotels do it ? Many have Dish or Direct and run HD over coax.

They use something called ProIdium. It is a digital copy protection model with encripted signals to the TV the hotels then use special commercial HDTVs with ProIdium decription already built in or for some older TV's a ProIdium plug in module is available. This secure technology is also used in most stadium installations.

 

[dwarren2]

If there is no OTA option for the new dvr, it's out for me too. I can receive 2 sets of locals ota and I often record off of the locals that dish does not supply or the subchannels of both sets of locals.

 

[MikeD-C05]

Coax might be perfect if it didn't rule out backfeeding and diplexing of OTA. Given the relative explosion of TV networks (AntennaTV, RetroTV, MeTV) and subchannels this year, that's not such a happy situation.

I only hope that I can still use an ota module with the 813 like the 722k ,so I can continue to record networks. IF you can't diplex ota/sat ,then this box isn't for me.

 

[harshness]

The other negative to the whole concept is why I have never liked the idea of Sling for MRV - the image would have to be rencoded/compressed by a consumer grade device on the fly - there would be a quality hit.

Yet this is one of the few ways (if not the only way) to pry the door open with the content providers.

 

[harshness]

They use something called ProIdium.

I think the question was more related to the transport medium as opposed to the authorization technology.

 

[DustoMan]

IS MOCA ACTUALLY REQUIRED?

If the house is already wired CAT5e/6 do you really need the coax?

I'd like to know this too. My wireless home network is plenty fast to support HD video. It would be kind of a pain to re-arrange how the coax is wired in the house. I could do it, but I'd like to use what I already have setup.

(And IMO, needing a Sling Adapter is just dumb.)

 

[Scherrman]

It doesn't look like the813 has any OTA capabilities right now. I'm hoping they will make a change to it. Scott has a pic of the back of the receiver if you're interested.

I'm not sure if anyone still had questions about the HD abilities but I'll say that it will do HD to three TVs. The 813 hooks up to your main tv like any receiver and then you would need a 110 for any other tv. Those TVs can be hooked up via hdmi. They all have access to the three tuners and the hard drive. You have the capability to connect another 813 and have access up to six tuners all in HD. Both 813 receiver can access each others hard drives. It's going to be a great design.

Not sure if anyone saw my earlier post about the 922 doing whole home dvr. They showed it as a concept using wifi. Two 922s could share their hard drives on an account. They actually had it up and running on the floor.

 

[Scherrman]

I don't see a problem with adding the sling adapter. If you don't care for sling you don't need it. If you want sling you can get the adapter and you get refunded. I'm not seeing the big deal.

 

[lakebum431]

It doesn't look like the813 has any OTA capabilities right now. I'm hoping they will make a change to it. Scott has a pic of the back of the receiver if you're interested.

I'm not sure if anyone still had questions about the HD abilities but I'll say that it will do HD to three TVs. The 813 hooks up to your main tv like any receiver and then you would need a 110 for any other tv. Those TVs can be hooked up via hdmi. They all have access to the three tuners and the hard drive. You have the capability to connect another 813 and have access up to six tuners all in HD. Both 813 receiver can access each others hard drives. It's going to be a great design.

Not sure if anyone saw my earlier post about the 922 doing whole home dvr. They showed it as a concept using wifi. Two 922s could share their hard drives on an account. They actually had it up and running on the floor.

Were the two 922s using sling technology to share recordings or were they using something else? Wifi does not seem like a good solution as it is going to have to go through the router and seems like it could really bog down your local network.

 

[Scherrman]

I asked the guy and he just said through wifi. The had two 922s there and a wireless router next to it. You could go into the my recordings screen and access the other receivers recordings.

 

[lakebum431]

Very interesting.

 

[Scherrman]

I'll have some thinking to do. I have a 922 now. Do I upgrade to the 813 when it comes out or add another 922 if this concept actually happens.

 

[skyviewmark]

Read it this way: "No. MoCA allows full HD"

MoCA allows up to 175Mbps.

With Scott you always have to read between the lines.. His punctuation keys don't always work