the players have no contract and no union..cant get more doom and gloom than that
Injunction request granted
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The doom and gloom scenario is the players filing in court for all of those points to become a reality and not just leverage.
They did so this morning, in their request in the event a stay is granted, they've requested the following (summary from PFT):
This could really F-up the draft. So are there trades for players or not? Will there be a new rookie wage cap or not? Will no one want to trade up because there is, or is not a rookie wage cap?
She should have waited until after the draft to rule.
cosmo_kramer said:
Exactly! Now we are gonna see which team/owner will have the melons to make a trade.
Isn't that what the players wanted all along??
Wasn't is the owners who wanted the drastic changes??
Isn't that what the players wanted all along??
Wasn't is the owners who wanted the drastic changes??
Yes. It's the owners who are putting up a stink though.
Since the judge dismissed the lockout, it only makes sense to proceed with business as normal. The owners have to suck it up. They lost this one. The rules from 2010 are the closest thing to fall back on. It might be chaotic if there were nothing in place.
They can reform themselves back into a union. That's what happened after the last NFLPA decertification back in 1987.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Just everyone go back to 2010 rules and act like nothing ever happened.
The lockout is only the first part of this, the litigation continues. The union can't simply recertify when there's a case against the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) saying that the union only did so officially for leverage and is still acting like a union, citing things like Mike Vrabel's statement last week that if the mid-tier players were not happy with the representation in the lawsuit that a new executive board could be elected and that De Smith works for them, not the other way around.
There's no executive board to re-elect in a decertified union... and De Smith doesn't currently work for anyone but the trade union called the NFLPA with the labor union decertified.
This lockout was to prevent the situation that is happening right now: the NFL has to impose rules to govern free agency and whatnot across 32 entities for a non-union labor pool. That violates antitrust laws.
The Brady litigation is seeking to prevent the NFL from doing exactly that, suing them on antitrust grounds. The settlement of that case will be the new CBA. All the legal stuff right now will just determine who gets what leverage in settlement talks.
One of the (very valid) main points of the NFL's 8th Circuit stay of the injunction request centers around Judge Nelson ignoring the pending case with the NLRB and presumes the NFLPA legally decertified and includes the quotes from Vrabel and others that have been made that back up the NFL's premise.
There's no executive board to re-elect in a decertified union... and De Smith doesn't currently work for anyone but the trade union called the NFLPA with the labor union decertified.
This lockout was to prevent the situation that is happening right now: the NFL has to impose rules to govern free agency and whatnot across 32 entities for a non-union labor pool. That violates antitrust laws.
The Brady litigation is seeking to prevent the NFL from doing exactly that, suing them on antitrust grounds. The settlement of that case will be the new CBA. All the legal stuff right now will just determine who gets what leverage in settlement talks.
One of the (very valid) main points of the NFL's 8th Circuit stay of the injunction request centers around Judge Nelson ignoring the pending case with the NLRB and presumes the NFLPA legally decertified and includes the quotes from Vrabel and others that have been made that back up the NFL's premise.
NFL announces plan to resume football operations
By The Associated Press
POSTED: 04/28/2011 11:13:25 AM MDT
UPDATED: 04/28/2011 11:21:48 AM MDT
MINNEAPOLIS — The NFL has told its teams and players to get back to football, at least for now.
In a memo released Thursday hours before the draft, the NFL said players could resume voluntary workouts at team facilities, meet with coaches and go over playbooks beginning Friday. It also promised to distribute detailed procedures for signing free agents or making trades and other roster moves.
That memo, the league says, will spell out the timing for the start of the league year.
Things could change depending on how the league fares in court. It is asking a federal appeals court to put the lockout back in place.
But for now, there are some guidelines to follow.
"Clubs are free to contact players immediately to advise them of the hours that the facility will be open for their use, to schedule medical and rehabilitation activity, and to arrange meetings with coaches or related activity, such as film study or classroom work," the NFL said.
The memo was released even as the court fight escalated over to run the $9 billion business and attorneys told players that a judge's decision lifting the lockout "is in full, immediate force." Attorneys Jeffrey Kessler and James Quinn wrote that the league year "now has to begin," that players must be allowed to lift weights at team facilities, meet with coaches "and otherwise perform their jobs." "It is our view that the NFL and the clubs will be in contempt of court if they do not comply with the order," the memo said.
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This is just getting crazier.
By The Associated Press
POSTED: 04/28/2011 11:13:25 AM MDT
UPDATED: 04/28/2011 11:21:48 AM MDT
MINNEAPOLIS — The NFL has told its teams and players to get back to football, at least for now.
In a memo released Thursday hours before the draft, the NFL said players could resume voluntary workouts at team facilities, meet with coaches and go over playbooks beginning Friday. It also promised to distribute detailed procedures for signing free agents or making trades and other roster moves.
That memo, the league says, will spell out the timing for the start of the league year.
Things could change depending on how the league fares in court. It is asking a federal appeals court to put the lockout back in place.
But for now, there are some guidelines to follow.
"Clubs are free to contact players immediately to advise them of the hours that the facility will be open for their use, to schedule medical and rehabilitation activity, and to arrange meetings with coaches or related activity, such as film study or classroom work," the NFL said.
The memo was released even as the court fight escalated over to run the $9 billion business and attorneys told players that a judge's decision lifting the lockout "is in full, immediate force." Attorneys Jeffrey Kessler and James Quinn wrote that the league year "now has to begin," that players must be allowed to lift weights at team facilities, meet with coaches "and otherwise perform their jobs." "It is our view that the NFL and the clubs will be in contempt of court if they do not comply with the order," the memo said.
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This is just getting crazier.
8th circuit has ordered the players to respond to the NFL's motion for appeal by Friday at noon CT. League's response due Monday at 9 am CT. Albert Breer thinks this is for the full stay, not the temporary one which is still pending.
@Adam_Schefter Bottom line: No free-agent signings during draft, no player trades during draft, only pick trades during draft. Free agency could start Mon. 13 minutes ago
cosmo_kramer said:Isn't that what the players wanted all along??
Wasn't is the owners who wanted the drastic changes??
An resounding "YES" to both questions! But many in this forum and fans tend to blindly side with the owners without reading up on the issues.
So....is the lockout over??
Im very confused. The NFL was locked out and now I guess they are not. I'll be honest, I dont know too much about the lockout. Whats it about, who gets what etc. But is the lockout now over? If not, what has to be done?
Im very confused. The NFL was locked out and now I guess they are not. I'll be honest, I dont know too much about the lockout. Whats it about, who gets what etc. But is the lockout now over? If not, what has to be done?
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