well I just happened to cll Dish and ask what they could do to get me a DVR and I was offered a 510 for $100 and no contract requirement. This was after I bought the one off of Amazon. The seller won't even call dish and check what's going on with the receiver. I didn't accuse him of stealing. Dish themselfs said the receiver is not the seller's and that it is dish property since it is leased.