Actually National PBS is removed if your DMA has a local PBS that Dish provides LIL. I know because this happened to me and others. The removal was part of the previous STELA days back to the old legislation (SHIVRA, I believe) that allowed sat to LIL locals when Must Carry kicked in a LONG time ago. Dish will NOT provide this channel if you have a PBS that is part of LIL for that DMA, and Dish does remove it without your consent (as per the law) if they provide they provide your DMA PBS LIL. Very few people still get the National PBS. Frankly, I still prefer the National PBS. At least they air the ENTIRE PBS line-up, which MOST stations across the USA DO NOT. However, no APR (no Doc Martin) nor other 3rd party programming on the National PBS. Just national PBS programming.