Houston Astros on hot water over illegally stealing signs

[Don in CT]

MASSIVE over-reaction. That is like 5 years in jail for littering.

If we needed any more proof (I did not) that Manfred is the worst commissioner in history, here it is. This guy just does not understand (or like, IMHO) baseball.

Are you mad that The Astros got caught or the fact that Manfred caught them?

 

[cosmo_kramer]

The thing that sounds weird if all this is factual, these are baseball players being traded around all the time, how could any organization expect to keep from getting caught? It's like committing a crime with multiple persons someone eventually talks.

It’s factual. You can read the full report here:

MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred’s Full Statement on the Houston Astros Sign Stealing Investigation

Read the full report issued by the MLB Commissioner on the findings of the Astros sign stealing investigation and the punishment handed down.

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[Don in CT]

It’s factual. You can read the full report here:

MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred’s Full Statement on the Houston Astros Sign Stealing Investigation

Read the full report issued by the MLB Commissioner on the findings of the Astros sign stealing investigation and the punishment handed down.

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There was emails and a paper trail. This is not a conspiracy. It was rumored for a while that they were stealing signs just no smoking gun.

 

[SamCdbs]

Are you mad that The Astros got caught or the fact that Manfred caught them?

Neither actually. Of course, empty suit Manfred never caught anyone at anything. Minor functionaries and the media “caught” the Astros in this trivial deal and the case came to this guy, who does not understand baseball nor like baseball. He reacted the way I would if asked to judge a physics competition. Since I don’t know much about physics, I would make it up as I went along. Since Manfred does not understand, nor like, baseball, he did the same.

Pitch clock, robot umpires, pitcher must face 3 batters (which is racist), universal DH, start extra inning with man on 2nd, destroy minor leagues, etc. etc. etc.

How much evidence is needed that this empty suit does not understand, nor like, this wonderful game?

 

[Don in CT]

Neither actually. Of course, empty suit Manfred never caught anyone at anything. Minor functionaries and the media “caught” the Astros in this trivial deal and the case came to this guy, who does not understand baseball nor like baseball. He reacted the way I would if asked to judge a physics competition. Since I don’t know much about physics, I would make it up as I went along. Since Manfred does not understand, nor like, baseball, he did the same.

Pitch clock, robot umpires, pitcher must face 3 batters (which is racist), universal DH, start extra inning with man on 2nd, destroy minor leagues, etc. etc. etc.

How much evidence is needed that this empty suit does not understand, nor like, this wonderful game?

We desperately need a pitch clock. That would speed up everything. How is the 3 batter thing racist? I'd love go see a universal DH, the NL is the only league in the world that still uses it.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Neither actually. Of course, empty suit Manfred never caught anyone at anything. Minor functionaries and the media “caught” the Astros in this trivial deal and the case came to this guy, who does not understand baseball nor like baseball. He reacted the way I would if asked to judge a physics competition. Since I don’t know much about physics, I would make it up as I went along. Since Manfred does not understand, nor like, baseball, he did the same.

Pitch clock, robot umpires, pitcher must face 3 batters (which is racist), universal DH, start extra inning with man on 2nd, destroy minor leagues, etc. etc. etc.

How much evidence is needed that this empty suit does not understand, nor like, this wonderful game?

You do realize that Manfred cannot just unilaterally impose rule changes, correct? That they're negotiated with the player's union and team ownership?

For example:

Earlier this year, MLB and the Players' Association (MLBPA) agreed to a number of rules changes for 2020. The most notable ones are:

• Expanding the minimum stay on the injured list from 10 days to 15 days;
• Expanding active rosters from 25 to 26 players; and
• Instituting a new rule that required relief pitchers to face at least three batters or finish the half-inning.

Manfred was asked about the status of these rule changes. He responded:

"Yeah, all of those rule changes that you just referenced are in the agreement that we made with the Players Association last year at the owners' meeting. They were approved by the owners, and I fully expect all those rules will be operational in the 2020 season."

MLB commissioner Rob Manfred addresses 2020 rule changes, protective netting and more at Winter Meetings

 

[SamCdbs]

Yeah, while I generally oppose the so-called union, it does have to approve the idiot ideas that those who don’t like baseball try to impose. The idiot changes outlined above were all he could get through, this time.

Specifically, of course, baseball is not “too long”. It is the same length it has always been. Nine innings. Then we come to the fundamentally ignorant, and racist, idea that managers should not be free to replace pitchers at any point. And the ignorance of the DH.

People that don’t like baseball, don’t like baseball. RM is one of them. Those who support his ignorant idea to change a game so perfect that it cannot be changed, don’t either.

 

[Howard Simmons]

We desperately need a pitch clock. That would speed up everything. How is the 3 batter thing racist? I'd love go see a universal DH, the NL is the only league in the world that still uses it.

They also need to keep the batter in the batters box. It seems like every pitch the batter steps out to adjust something.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Yeah, while I generally oppose the so-called union, it does have to approve the idiot ideas that those who don’t like baseball try to impose. The idiot changes outlined above were all he could get through, this time.

Specifically, of course, baseball is not “too long”. It is the same length it has always been. Nine innings. Then we come to the fundamentally ignorant, and racist, idea that managers should not be free to replace pitchers at any point. And the ignorance of the DH.

People that don’t like baseball, don’t like baseball. RM is one of them. Those who support his ignorant idea to change a game so perfect that it cannot be changed, don’t either.

Nine innings yes, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that the games are taking longer and longer to play those nine innings each year:

Major League Baseball Miscellaneous Year-by-Year Averages and Totals | Baseball-Reference.com

Year	Tms	G	Time	Time/9I
2019	30	2429	3:10	3:05
2018	30	2431	3:04	3:00
2017	30	2430	3:08	3:05
2016	30	2428	3:04	3:00
2015	30	2429	3:00	2:56
2014	30	2430	3:07	3:02
2013	30	2431	3:04	2:58
2012	30	2430	3:00	2:55
2011	30	2429	2:56	2:51
2010	30	2430	2:54	2:50
2009	30	2430	2:55	2:51
2008	30	2428	2:55	2:50
2007	30	2431	2:55	2:51
2006	30	2429	2:51	2:48
2005	30	2431	2:49	2:46
2004	30	2428	2:51	2:47
2003	30	2430	2:49	2:46
2002	30	2426	2:56	2:52
2001	30	2429	2:58	2:54
2000	30	2429	3:01	2:57
1999	30	2428	2:57	2:53
1998	30	2432	2:52	2:47
1997	28	2266	2:56	2:52
1996	28	2267	2:55	2:51
1995	28	2017	2:54	2:50
1994	28	1600	2:57	2:53
1993	28	2269	2:52	2:48
1992	26	2106	2:54	2:49
1991	26	2104	2:54	2:48
1990	26	2105	2:51	2:47
1989	26	2106	2:50	2:45
1988	26	2100	2:49	2:45
1987	26	2105	2:52	2:47
1986	26	2103	2:48	2:44
1985	26	2103	2:44	2:39
1984	26	2105	2:39	2:35
1983	26	2109	2:40	2:36
1982	26	2107	2:40	2:35
1981	26	1394	2:38	2:33
1980	26	2105	2:38	2:33
1979	26	2099	2:35	2:31
1978	26	2102	2:30	2:26
1977	26	2103	2:32	2:28
1976	24	1939	2:29	2:24
1975	24	1934	2:29	2:25
1974	24	1945	2:29	2:25
1973	24	1943	2:30	2:26
1972	24	1859	2:27	2:23
1971	24	1938	2:29	2:25
1970	24	1944	2:34	2:30
1969	24	1946	2:32	2:28
1968	20	1625	2:33	2:29
1967	20	1620	2:37	2:32
1966	20	1615	2:36	2:31
1965	20	1623	2:36	2:31
1964	20	1626	2:34	2:30
1963	20	1619	2:30	2:25
1962	20	1621	2:38	2:34
1961	18	1430	2:37	2:34
1960	16	1236	2:38	2:33
1959	16	1238	2:34	2:31
1958	16	1235	2:31	2:28
1957	16	1235	2:33	2:28
1956	16	1239	2:32	2:28
1955	16	1234	2:31	2:28
1954	16	1237	2:30	2:26
1953	16	1240	2:26	2:23
1952	16	1239	2:25	2:21
1951	16	1239	2:23	2:19
1950	16	1238	2:21	2:19
1949	16	1240	2:19	2:15
1948	16	1237	2:15	2:13
1947	16	1243	2:11	2:09
1946	16	1242	2:07	1:56

 

[david_jr]

How much of that extra hour of average game time has been added by commercials? How much has been added by replay? How much has been added by the incessant stepping out? How much has been added by multiple pitching changes? I imagine in 46 there was less of all four. Of course I’m too young to remember.

 

[Sean Mota]

Alex Cora fired...

"The need to be right is the sign of a vulgar mind"

 

[Jimbo]

We desperately need a pitch clock. That would speed up everything. How is the 3 batter thing racist? I'd love go see a universal DH, the NL is the only league in the world that still uses it.

We DON'T need a pitch clock ....
Universal DH, I'd be good with that, its time has come ....
The rest of the stuff is just thinking out loud to see what others think I believe.

 

[Jimbo]

Yeah, while I generally oppose the so-called union, it does have to approve the idiot ideas that those who don’t like baseball try to impose. The idiot changes outlined above were all he could get through, this time.

Specifically, of course, baseball is not “too long”. It is the same length it has always been. Nine innings. Then we come to the fundamentally ignorant, and racist, idea that managers should not be free to replace pitchers at any point. And the ignorance of the DH.

People that don’t like baseball, don’t like baseball. RM is one of them. Those who support his ignorant idea to change a game so perfect that it cannot be changed, don’t either.

He's still better than the last one.

 

[SamCdbs]

He's still better than the last one.

Selig was a bad commissioner. Almost every decision he made was the wrong decision, from Pete Rose to steroids to not staying the course and, as the NHL did, breaking the so-called union, to not tossing Angelos out of the sport, to over-expanded playoffs to starting them at 8:30 at night.

But Selig liked baseball. He was a baseball guy. Manfred is just some lawyer whose firm happened to represent MLB. Butterfly effect and his firm gets a different client and this guy probably never even attends a baseball game. He does not understand baseball. He does not like baseball. For a person to actually think that a game can be “too long” is a sure sign of that. More is better, not worse.

 

[Don in CT]

They also need to keep the batter in the batters box. It seems like every pitch the batter steps out to adjust something.

That rule is on the books but never enforced.

 

[Howard Simmons]

That rule is on the books but never enforced.

Well they need to enforce it more.

 

[camo]

DH for all would change not only strategy but how the NL teams are built. Might as well go to the automatic strike zone while they're at it.
I don't really have a problem if the game is to be changed lets not half-a$$ it,

 

[Don in CT]

DH for all would change not only strategy but how the NL teams are built. Might as well go to the automatic strike zone while they're at it.
I don't really have a problem if the game is to be changed lets not half-a$$ it,

The DH gives older players a change to still play. NL teams are at disadvantage with interleague in AL parks as they are not built with a true DH. The flip side is AL teams are at a disadvantage in NL parks. The main reason I hate the pitcher hitting is the higher risk of pitcher injury.

Robo umps are coming, it was agreed to in the new bargaining agreement.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

New allegations claim Astros players wore buzzers inside their jerseys

 

[cosmo_kramer]