Here is a list of Markets that will NOT support PTAT

[stardust3]

[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Alexandria, Louisiana
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Lafayette, Indiana[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Alpena, Michigan
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Lima, Ohio[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Amarillo, Texas
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Lubbock, Texas[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Bend, Oregon
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Mankato, Minnesota[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Billings, Montana
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Marquette, Michigan[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Biloxi-Gulfport, Mississippi [/FONT][FONT=&amp]
- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]North Platte, Nebraska[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Binghamton, New York
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Ottumwa-Kirksville, Iowa[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Bowling Green, Kentucky [/FONT][FONT=&amp]
- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Parkersburg, West Virginia[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Casper-Riverton, Wyoming
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Presque Isle, Maine[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Charlottesville, Virginia
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Puerto Rico/US Virgin Islands[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Clarksburg-Weston, West Virginia
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Rapid City, South Dakota[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Dothan, Alabama
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Salisbury, Maryland[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Elmira (Corning), New York
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]St. Joseph, Missouri[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Eureka, California
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Tyler-Longview, Texas[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Glendive, Montana
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Utica, New York[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Greenwood-Greenville, Mississippi
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Victoria, Texas[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Harrisonburg, Virginia [/FONT][FONT=&amp]
- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Watertown, New York[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Hattiesburg-Laurel, Mississippi [/FONT][FONT=&amp]
- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Wheeling-Steubenville, West-Virginia-Ohio[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Helena, Montana
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Yuma-El Centro, Arizona-California[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Jackson, Tennessee
[/FONT][FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Zanesville, Ohio[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]- [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Jonesboro, Arkansas[/FONT]

 

[John Kotches]

What is the highest market rank of these cities?

 

[Hall]

Those cities are no doubt the remaining locals that Dish doesn't carry in HD.

I know that Lima OH was in the 180 range of DMAs.

 

[Mr Tony]

Also a fair amount of those markets have imported stations (as they arent a full market otherwise). What sucks for those folks is the imported locals MAY be in HD but because the locals arent they get no HD.

Mankato as example. They get ABC & NBC from Minneapolis. But since CBS Mankato isnt in HD (Fox is 480i widescreen) those folks cant get ABC & NBC in HD

 

[sparc]

how many total markets are there?

 

[stardust3]

They're saying these 5 areas will have partial functionality.

- Cheyenne, Wyoming
- Fairbanks, Alaska
- Juneau, Alaska
- Panama City, Florida
- Topeka, Kansas

 

[Mr Tony]

Tyler at 107

most are in the 175+ range

 

[Mr Tony]

how many total markets are there?

210 + Puerto Rico and USVI (Nielsen doesnt count them)

 

[Mr Tony]

They're saying these 5 areas will have partial functionality.

- Cheyenne, Wyoming
- Fairbanks, Alaska
- Juneau, Alaska
- Panama City, Florida
- Topeka, Kansas

Their locals are in HD but missing 1 net. Only the HD channels will record

 

[stardust3]

Their locals are in HD but missing 1 net. Only the HD channels will record

That's it.....the 41 markets I posted apparently have no hd locals.

 

[Brodieb]

Their locals are in HD but missing 1 net. Only the HD channels will record

St. Joseph, MO should be included based on that criteria as well. The NBC, CBS, and Fox are in HD from Kansas City but the ABC is SD only from St. Joseph. Luckily I live 45 minutes north of St. Joe and am considered KC, MO locals by Dish and get them all in HD.

 

[mike123abc]

Market #Households
Lima, Ohio 39350
Amarillo, Texas 192650
Lubbock, Texas 160160
Bend, Oregon 62620
Mankato, Minnesota 53720
Billings, Montana 109940
Marquette, Michigan 85230
Biloxi-Gulfport, Mississippi 128150
North Platte, Nebraska 15180
Binghamton, New York 136730
Ottumwa-Kirksville, Iowa 47810
Bowling Green, Kentucky 79990
Parkersburg, West Virginia 63120
Casper-Riverton, Wyoming 56460
Presque Isle, Maine 29850
Charlottesville, Virginia 74630
Puerto Rico/US Virgin Islands
Clarksburg-Weston, West Virginia 108980
Rapid City, South Dakota 100120
Dothan, Alabama 109080
Salisbury, Maryland 159630
Elmira (Corning), New York 96600
St. Joseph, Missouri 46690
Eureka, California 61180
Tyler-Longview, Texas 271400
Glendive, Montana 4180
Utica, New York 104750
Greenwood-Greenville, Mississippi 67730
Victoria, Texas 31540
Harrisonburg, Virginia 91620
Watertown, New York 93090
Hattiesburg-Laurel, Mississippi 111560
Wheeling-Steubenville, West-Virginia-Ohio 133120
Helena, Montana 28050
Yuma-El Centro, Arizona-California 112850
Jackson, Tennessee 64650
Zanesville, Ohio 33140
Jonesboro, Arkansas 81300
1911260


Just under 2% of the households in the US... Tyler Longview largest of the DMAs #107

 

[Mr Tony]

St. Joseph, MO should be included based on that criteria as well. The NBC, CBS, and Fox are in HD from Kansas City but the ABC is SD only from St. Joseph. Luckily I live 45 minutes north of St. Joe and am considered KC, MO locals by Dish and get them all in HD.

different rules. Since the ABC in St Joe is not in HD the imported KC ones arent in HD either.

 

[stardust3]

Lima, Ohio 39350
Amarillo, Texas 192650
Lubbock, Texas 160160
Bend, Oregon 62620
Mankato, Minnesota 53720
Billings, Montana 109940
Marquette, Michigan 85230
Biloxi-Gulfport, Mississippi 128150
North Platte, Nebraska 15180
Binghamton, New York 136730
Ottumwa-Kirksville, Iowa 47810
Bowling Green, Kentucky 79990
Parkersburg, West Virginia 63120
Casper-Riverton, Wyoming 56460
Presque Isle, Maine 29850
Charlottesville, Virginia 74630
Puerto Rico/US Virgin Islands
Clarksburg-Weston, West Virginia 108980
Rapid City, South Dakota 100120
Dothan, Alabama 109080
Salisbury, Maryland 159630
Elmira (Corning), New York 96600
St. Joseph, Missouri 46690
Eureka, California 61180
Tyler-Longview, Texas 271400
Glendive, Montana 4180
Utica, New York 104750
Greenwood-Greenville, Mississippi 67730
Victoria, Texas 31540
Harrisonburg, Virginia 91620
Watertown, New York 93090
Hattiesburg-Laurel, Mississippi 111560
Wheeling-Steubenville, West-Virginia-Ohio 133120
Helena, Montana 28050
Yuma-El Centro, Arizona-California 112850
Jackson, Tennessee 64650
Zanesville, Ohio 33140
Jonesboro, Arkansas 81300
1911260


Just under 2% of the households in the US...

Facinating that is only 2%..........I would have never guessed right.

 

[mike123abc]

Well even less I just looked last census 131,704,730 housing units. This is 1.9 million homes. But does not cover Puerto Rico since it is not a DMA, so under 2%

 

[John Kotches]

Facinating that is only 2%..........I would have never guessed right.

Understanding the scale of the problem is a big part of the question.

I'm not at all surprised by these results and clearly Dish has focused on the highest population markets if the lowest without coverage is not in the top 100 markets.

 

[stardust3]

Understanding the scale of the problem is a big part of the question.

I'm not at all surprised by these results and clearly Dish has focused on the highest population markets if the lowest without coverage is not in the top 100 markets.

I agree, even though, compared to the big picture. There is still a ton of households that can't get any hd locals.

 

[John Kotches]

stardust3:

It's not nothing, but it's not as many as I thought it would be either.

 

[jimdandyvi]

Puerto Rico has 1.1 million homes of which 98% are estimated to have TVs. If Puerto Rico was considered a DMA it would be around 30th in size. Approximately the size of KC DMA.

Add the Virgin Islands and other Caribbean Islands served in this market and it is even larger.

 

[Brodieb]

different rules. Since the ABC in St Joe is not in HD the imported KC ones arent in HD either.

Wow, that makes me REALLY glad my locals are in HD from KC. The St. Joe ABC is pretty poor anyway as far as local news quality.