HA!!! The Yankees Lost!!!!! (YES N.)
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I watched last nights game of Angels versus White Sox with no contempt, no ill feelings, no hatred. It was absolutely peaceful and a real pleasure to watch 2 great teams play good baseball. Being sandwiched between Boston and New York thats all we see or hear about. Its great to see other teams and new faces.
The problem is not the big Market Teams. Don't blame it on the Boston/NY because they have a great audience that is willing to pay for their team. Let's take a look at bottom teams. There was so much money from Revenue sharing last year that each baseball team could have a minimum salary cap of 50 million per team but some owners like Cincinnati, Pirates, etc decided not to put the money back into the team. The blaming game of the big market teams does not work anymore there is enough revenue sharing to make teams competitive. This year all the .500 teams had a payroll which it was close to 50 million. All the under .500 teams were below well below the 50 million payroll.
This is something that in the next agreement the owners and MLB will look for. A minimum payroll expenditure. It was blocked by the Player's Union for stupid reasons last time. But it well understood that the correlation between increasing payroll and having a competitive team are well established. Decrease the payroll and the team will be less competitive. Increase it and it will be more competitive. Competitive does not mean automatic championship but it will give you a chance to the championship. In the past years teams like the Marlins, A's, Angels, Astros, etc. have proven that you do not need to have the largest payroll but if you have a competitive team (increasing the payroll), you will have a ligit chance at the championship.
So do not hate the Yanks or Red Sox or any big market team because of the big resources they have. Think about it this way -- the more they (big market) spend the more the small market teams will have because of revenue sharing. So there's no excuse if your team is like the Royals, Pirates, Devil Rays, etc. There's lots of money going around to make your team as competitive as any .500 team. The EXCUSES ARE OVER.
This is something that in the next agreement the owners and MLB will look for. A minimum payroll expenditure. It was blocked by the Player's Union for stupid reasons last time. But it well understood that the correlation between increasing payroll and having a competitive team are well established. Decrease the payroll and the team will be less competitive. Increase it and it will be more competitive. Competitive does not mean automatic championship but it will give you a chance to the championship. In the past years teams like the Marlins, A's, Angels, Astros, etc. have proven that you do not need to have the largest payroll but if you have a competitive team (increasing the payroll), you will have a ligit chance at the championship.
So do not hate the Yanks or Red Sox or any big market team because of the big resources they have. Think about it this way -- the more they (big market) spend the more the small market teams will have because of revenue sharing. So there's no excuse if your team is like the Royals, Pirates, Devil Rays, etc. There's lots of money going around to make your team as competitive as any .500 team. The EXCUSES ARE OVER.
The Yankees are the reason that baseball Sucks. Most teams would have to lose 120 mil or so to have the same payroll the Yankees have and look what it got them.
Yankees 208 mil = 95 - 67 plus 2 playoff wins
White Soxs 75 mil = 99 - 63 plus 3 playoff wins
Angels 97 mil = 95 - 67 plus 4 playoff wins
Indians 41 mil = 93 - 69 no playoffs ----- But SAVED 167 mil an 2 less wins than the Yankees = Priceless.
Who is smarter Steinbrenner or Dolan?
This is why the NFL will always be King of American Sports because of revenue sharing Washington at 117 mil for the high and San Fran 63 mil for the low and everyone else in between = A fair playing field.
Yankees 208 mil = 95 - 67 plus 2 playoff wins
White Soxs 75 mil = 99 - 63 plus 3 playoff wins
Angels 97 mil = 95 - 67 plus 4 playoff wins
Indians 41 mil = 93 - 69 no playoffs ----- But SAVED 167 mil an 2 less wins than the Yankees = Priceless.
Who is smarter Steinbrenner or Dolan?
This is why the NFL will always be King of American Sports because of revenue sharing Washington at 117 mil for the high and San Fran 63 mil for the low and everyone else in between = A fair playing field.
mdonnelly said:
You are completly wrong about this one. They are playing within the rule. The Cincinnati Reds did the same thing when they built the new stadium. In fact, the Reds have taken the revenue sharing money and are even using that to pay for the stadium. These are the rules of the game and there is nothing wrong with that.
rowemance said:
What's your point? I do not get it. Playoff wins means very little if there is no championship. Anyone has a chance once you get to the playoffs.
rowemance said:
Without any doubt Steinbrenner. He has more $$$ and more championships under his belt. His franchise is worth more than the Knicks & Rangers combined. Wouldn't you agree?
rowemance said:
Some may say that this is why I hate the NFL. Too much parity.
The Yankees are a great team (with yes, a very high payroll) because they've been managed and owned by people that actually know what they're doing. Their success throughout the century has enabled them to build a marketing machine that no other team can begin to come close to. That marketing machine gives them the bucks to get the best. Steinbrenner hasn't always owned the Yankees. How is it that they've always had great teams since the 20's? because they know what their doing!!!
One more note ... take back that rediculous call by Joe West in the 5th inning and the bases would have been loaded with Bernie Williams up to bat. West is probably one of the worst umps in baseball.
The best team that money can buy can't over come one bad call by an umpire? Maybe you need to spend some of that money on bribes? All teams get bad calls against them maybe the real problem is the players are worried about how to invest there checks and are not thinking about the game thats why your outfielders let the ball bounce off their chests.
You must have slept through the 70's. Then George took over and sleezed his way into prominence again.sidekick said:
How much has every team spent since last title?
For the fifth year in a row, the Yankees general manager's words have turned out to be prophetic. The Bronx Bombers again finished the season with baseball's highest payroll -- and without a World Series title.
So have the Yankees spent more in five seasons than the Pirates have since their '79 We Are Family title? The answer is yes. Yankees owner George Steinbrenner has emptied $777 million out of his piggy bank in player salaries since 2000, while the Bucs have spent a relatively meager $529 million.
But where do the Yankees rank in terms of all 30 major-league franchises in payroll expenditures since their last World Series, or since the 1977 season? You'd expect them to be in the top five, right?
Wrong. Surprisingly, the Yanks come in at No. 13. The unsavory distinction of baseball's biggest money-waster goes to their rivals in Queens. The Mets have spent a shade more than $1 billion in payroll chasing another championship, which has eluded them for the past 19 years.
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Rk Team Last Title Years Total Payroll Since Title (*Since '77)
1. New York Mets 1986 19 $1.0 billion
2. Los Angeles Dodgers 1988 17 $997 million
3. Texas Rangers -- N/A *$938 million
4. Chicago Cubs 1908 97 *$907 million
5. San Francisco Giants 1954 51 *$884 million
6. St. Louis Cardinals 1982 23 $883 million
7. Baltimore Orioles 1983 22 $881 million
8. Seattle Mariners -- N/A *$842 million
9. Cleveland Indians 1948 57 *$786 million
10. Houston Astros -- N/A *$783 million
11. Atlanta Braves 1995 10 $781 million
12. Philadelphia Phillies 1980 25 $778 million
13. New York Yankees 2000 5 $777 million
14. Chicago White Sox 1917 88 *$748 million
15. Detroit Tigers 1984 21 $671 millionSo where's all the money going if George isn't spending it on player salaries, hmmm? 'Cause we know their revenues are the highest in baseball.sidekick said:
sidekick said:
Of course, having the biggest market in the country has a little to do with their "marketing machine" success as well...
mdonnelly said:So where's all the money going if George isn't spending it on player salaries, hmmm? 'Cause we know their revenues are the highest in baseball.
You are getting into unknown territories since no one knows what revenue every team in any sport makes. They can report such and such to the public but very rarely you will get a picture of the whole pie. There maybe legit reasons for it. A franchise as the Yankees or any other may have different sources of revenues and expenditures. We know the YES Network, Ticket Sales, Advertisement, Merchandise, etc are some of the revenue sources but there are expenditures besides player's salary. One is the operational expenditure of running a franchise, another is players development through the draft (A, AA, AAA), scouts, Tax Revenue penalty (to be paid for exceding the MLB budget), and so on. There's a bunch of expenses any team could claim or any business can claim. To try to make it a conspiracy is absurd. One big expenditure will be this new stadium which the Yankees are financing by themselves and did not ask for public money.
Just because a team happens to be in the Number one market in the country does not make them "EVIL". Steinbrenner is not stupid and will make a buck whenever is available in his market. Any business man will do the same. The Big thing is that Steinbrenner is not hiding the revenue in his pocket he is putting the money back into the team because he is a guy who has a desire to win. So he put his money on the team and that is not what other teams do which it is so unfortunate.
P.S. Steinbrenner equates winning with $$$ which it is wrong. Sometimes it does not pay to have an all star team. Sometimes is better to have a balanced team. For example the 1996 - 2000 Yankees Team had one star - Jeter who had never hit 30 or more homeruns. They were a team who emphasized playing fundamentals - - Pitching and defense. They have gone away from that formula and now the emphasis is on having a superstar at every position and that does not work. The 1998 Team had guys who would never be in the hall of fame and yet it is considered to be one of the greates team ever because of their concept of winning as a team.
