H/J vs Directv mrv

[DodgerKing]

I have an HR24 also, the hoppers / joeys at CES still beat the cr*p out of it in speed and this is legitimate I've seen both in action. Another plus no need for SWM tech, you can use RG59 to the joeys if needed (if it is already ran). If your tv is mounted on the wall there are brackets where the joey can hide behind the tv.

You don't need that with Direct either. Eithernet to your router from your receivers/dvrs will be good enough. Many people already that that set up as well.

 

[GaryPen]

woah 3 bucks cheaper! how about programming costs added to the bill?

It depends on the package. But, D* can be cheaper than E*, as well. So, don't assume it will automatically cost more with D*.

 

[mfoster711]

You can NOT pause and rewind LIVE TV on any of the remote TV locations with the current Direct setup. You can pause and rewind recordings but not LIVE TV. With Dish, you can pause and rewind on all TVs. This is a big deal for me personally because I watch lots of live programming (sports) and have young children and a wife that love to interrupt my viewing. I am not complaining about them interrupting I am just saying it is completely impossible to watch a whole program without needing to pause at times. Plus, when I am watching sports I have a habit of wanting to rewind and watch the really good plays over again.

Now, if 95% of what you watch are recordings then this is not a big deal. But, if this is the case then what is the real advantage of having another tuner at each TV with the Direct setup since you are going to be watching recordings anyways?

All that being said, Direct is planning to come out with a RVU client (google it) that works just like Dish Joeys.

 

[DodgerKing]

You do not need to pause and rewind live on Direct if your secondary unit is a DVR, as their secondary units have their own tuner. With the Joey you will need to do this as it cannot be used as a standalone receiver.

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[DodgerKing]

From what I've seen unless they slow it down, the Dish GUI is much faster than either the old blue or new HD GUI from Directv...

I wonder if the speed difference was mainly due to the demo setup?

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[mfoster711]

You do not need to pause and rewind live on Direct if your secondary unit is a DVR, as their secondary units have their own tuner. With the Joey you will need to do this as it cannot be used as a standalone receiver.

I think what you are saying is.....With Direct if you install DVR recievers on the remote TVs then you will be able to pause and rewind live TV? This is true, but it would also greatly increase your cost.

 

[Mr Tony]

I need to ask the same question for the hr34 as a stand alone unit, any mrv fee when used alone?

nope. Just checked my account (I went from 2 R22's and a H23 to a HR34) and under multi-room viewing on my account it shows "not eligible"

 

[Mr Tony]

All that being said, Direct is planning to come out with a RVU client (google it) that works just like Dish Joeys.

correct. But right now the H25's they use (instead of RVU's) have their own tuner so a HR34/3 H25's gives you 8 tuners

 

[DodgerKing]

I think what you are saying is.....With Direct if you install DVR recievers on the remote TVs then you will be able to pause and rewind live TV? This is true, but it would also greatly increase your cost.

The monthly fee will be the same as Direct charges the same fee for all DVRs and receivers. The upfront costs maybe more, but many people already have multiple DVRs and they can turn their existing setup into MRV.

Plus some can get a deal to upgrade a receiver to a DVR for free with a 2 year commitment.

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[mfoster711]

correct. But right now the H25's they use (instead of RVU's) have their own tuner so a HR34/3 H25's gives you 8 tuners

I am not disputing that, just saying you can't pause or rewind LIVE tv on any of the TVs with an H25. For me, that is a complete deal breaker but for others it might not matter.

 

[HIFI]

I am not disputing that, just saying you can't pause or rewind LIVE tv on any of the TVs with an H25. For me, that is a complete deal breaker but for others it might not matter.

One way around that is to set the show to record from the h25 location then play it from the dvr list then you have dvr capabilities at the 25 it will just be delayed by what 3 seconds

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[Stargazer]

I am not familiar with the HR35 so trying to figure some things out about it ...

If you have just the HR35 then you can record five things at the same time watching something live (assuming you are watching one of the recordings) or record four things at once while watching the fifth live show at the same time, is that correct? What does Directv charge as a monthly fee for an account with just the HR35?

If you have an HR35 and want a second room then you add another receiver but it can still only record five things at the same time and give you access to that secondary receiver's tuner from that tv it is connected to? Is this correct or am I wrong?

If you have an HR35 and an additional DVR in another room then that will allow you to pause your live show in the other room. Will the additional DVR allow you to record seven things at once at that point assuming you are using a dual tuner DVR in the other room?

What is the fee for that additional DVR on the account? I know Directv charges $7 DVR fee and $6 additional outlet fees plus an MRV fee of $4 so would that be $17?

 

[Mr Tony]

HR34 by the way

I am not familiar with the HR35 so trying to figure some things out about it ...

If you have just the HR35 then you can record five things at the same time watching something live (assuming you are watching one of the recordings) or record four things at once while watching the fifth live show at the same time, is that correct?

you can record up to 5 shows at once while watching something pre-recorded.
you could also download a VOD at same time (already tried that)

I just got my HR34 today and I recorded 5 shows and a VOD at same time. Then stopped one program and started recording something else (so back to 5 recording) and watched that program I recorded before.

What does Directv charge as a monthly fee for an account with just the HR35?

monthly fee for receiver 0...well they show a $6 charge but then a $6 primary receiver credit so its 0
DVR fee 8.00
There is a $10 HD fee but thats waived with auto pay

If you have an HR35 and want a second room then you add another receiver but it can still only record five things at the same time and give you access to that secondary receiver's tuner from that tv it is connected to? Is this correct or am I wrong?

right now Directv gives you a H25 which is a small sized full function HD receiver. It has its own tuner so you can watch whatever you want and it has no effect on the HR34 tuners.
So while you record 5 things on the HR34 on the H25 you can either watch something else or play back something recorded or being recorded on the HR34.

If you have an HR35 and an additional DVR in another room then that will allow you to pause your live show in the other room. Will the additional DVR allow you to record seven things at once at that point assuming you are using a dual tuner DVR in the other room?

yup

What is the fee for that additional DVR on the account? I know Directv charges $7 DVR fee and $6 additional outlet fees plus an MRV fee of $4 so would that be $17?

no. breakdown is pretty easy

$8 DVR fee....covers whole account (they recently raised it from $7)
$3 MRV fee
$6 receiver fee.....deosnt matter if its a D12 (SD only receiver), a H25 (HD receiver) or a HR24 (HD DVR)

I know for new subs Directv does a "combo" bill for HD, MRV and DVR. They charge $20 but give you a $10 credit when you sign up. So really you're at $10 (instead of $11)

so as example. If you have a HR34 + 3 H25's it would be
$20 for MRV, HD and DVR
$10 credit
$6 for each H25

so $28 and you'd have 8 tuners

The one advantage right now with the HR34/H25 setup is you dont tie up any of the HR34 tuners because the H25 has its own tuner in it

 

[dfergie]

I wonder if the speed difference was mainly due to the demo setup?

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No they were hooked up to satellite and had Vegas locals activated etc. ...

 

[DodgerKing]

I am not disputing that, just saying you can't pause or rewind LIVE tv on any of the TVs with an H25. For me, that is a complete deal breaker but for others it might not matter.

I can see how that would be an issue for many. One of the purposes of MRV is to allow DVR access to all rooms in your house. When you cannot use one of the DVR features in some of the rooms, that may be an issue for some.

That is easily remedied the same way you do it using the DirecTV2PC APP. You simply start recording a program you want to watch, you are watching it recorded live, and then you can pause it and rewind it.

 

[patmurphey]

I have three HD TVs. Rather than one Hopper and two Joeys, a better setup is two Hoppers and one Joey for the same monthly cost. I will have six tuners (during prime time, five with the sixth dedicated to recording an eight day prime time archive of four network channels). I can't see the need for much more.

 

[powerhouse1960]

I have three HD TVs. Rather than one Hopper and two Joeys, a better setup is two Hoppers and one Joey for the same monthly cost. I will have six tuners (during prime time, five with the sixth dedicated to recording an eight day prime time archive of four network channels). I can't see the need for much more.

You do know that the two hopper will not see each other so you will not have mrv .

 

[Bobby]

You do know that the two hopper will not see each other so you will not have mrv .

Only in the very beginning... They are supposed to see each other, seamlessly, in an upcoming update.

 

[ScottChez]

True two hoppers can not see each other and are separate mrv networks for now.

This brings up the word SOON. In that they may add that feature someday

Given Dish Networks past history on releasing features they seem to average when using the word soon to be 6 months to a year later and in some cases NEVER when using the word SOON.

 

[DodgerKing]

I created a little spreadsheet comparing the two. Let me know if anything needs to be added or changed.

ETA: Updated Spreadsheet with new Direct DVR price and HR34 PIP