FIRST LOOK: Dish ViP722 Receiver!
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For you, I see opportrunity..Not a problem..I hope you sell them like water to a desert traveler...This is just greatNow im going to have customers asking about the 722 on the Dishstore, and not a peep from Dish about availability
The storage issue for HD would be better addressed if more HD channels were moved to the new MPEG4 encoding. Those programs consume far less space on the drive than the MPEG2 or older MPEG4 HD channels. Even on the 622, you can record somewhere in the neighborhood of 70-80 hours of HD on the channels using the new encoding.
Good suggestion Tom, but are there any HD channels left other than Voom that can go Mpeg4?? As of right now ESPNHD, DiscoveryHD, TNTHD, HDNet and HDNet movies cannot because of existing Mpeg2 only receivers.
So give existing MPEG2-only HD receiver owners a great trade-up deal, announce a deadline for cutting off MPEG-2 and go for it.
You could still even leave the grandfathered contracts in place, like the old HD Pack.
The number of those old receivers still in use aren't that high. It isn't like trying to get rid of MPEG2 SD receivers.
You could still even leave the grandfathered contracts in place, like the old HD Pack.
The number of those old receivers still in use aren't that high. It isn't like trying to get rid of MPEG2 SD receivers.
The 622 and 722 are the same receivers. (well almost)
Well that about sums it up. Since it does have some difference in functionality and a different case (if only in terms of color) they can give it a new model number if they want. But it is even less difference than betweena Chevy and a pontiac.
In some ways it sounds like the video game console market. Except in this case its everyone that has the *older* models. Not just a few. Want to play the new games? They are not backwards compatible so you have to spend $500 to get new one. Sorry, no upgrade deals.
But then... I cant imagine people waiting in line for days to get a new receiver
The only 5000 I know of is a very old receiver, WAY before HD.
According to E* at their conference, to "broadcast" Digital HD signal to TV2 the encoders needed are the same type your local stations use to broadcast their digital HD. They cost 100's of thousands of dollars as of 2006.
That's the one, it became Dish's first HD receiver. The HD modulator converted the Dish HD signal to an ATSC channel to send to the TV tuner. It wasn't cheap, but it also wasn't commercial only. There may not be enough demand to put it in every box as the HD/SD outputs work for most, but more and more are starting to ask for it.
Continuing on the topic of moving all HD channels to the latest MPEG-4 encoding.
E* could offer something like a free replacement 211 for non-DVR and 622/722 for DVR MPEG-2 if they went to a lease. Or a trade-in where someone could trade a 6000 or 811 for a 211 for $99 purchase, or 921/942 for a 622 for $199 purchase. They wouldn't have to offer free dish upgrades, as the new boxes should be a simple replacement for old boxes, offering the same programming. But they could offer a low-cost dish upgrade if one wanted to upgrade programming to a metallic pack.
E* would lose a little money on the deal, but look what they would gain. They could then move all HD channels onto fewer transponders. This would free up a number of transponders for use for additional HD channels without having to wait for new satellites.
They could also drop support for several older HD receivers. No more software upgrades to deal with on those boxes.
We would gain by having significantly more hours of HD storage on our 622s.
On the surface, this looks like a win-win.
E* could offer something like a free replacement 211 for non-DVR and 622/722 for DVR MPEG-2 if they went to a lease. Or a trade-in where someone could trade a 6000 or 811 for a 211 for $99 purchase, or 921/942 for a 622 for $199 purchase. They wouldn't have to offer free dish upgrades, as the new boxes should be a simple replacement for old boxes, offering the same programming. But they could offer a low-cost dish upgrade if one wanted to upgrade programming to a metallic pack.
E* would lose a little money on the deal, but look what they would gain. They could then move all HD channels onto fewer transponders. This would free up a number of transponders for use for additional HD channels without having to wait for new satellites.
They could also drop support for several older HD receivers. No more software upgrades to deal with on those boxes.
We would gain by having significantly more hours of HD storage on our 622s.
On the surface, this looks like a win-win.
Wait, didn't Dish already use "722" for a dual-tuner DVR? That could be confusing, especially if some sleezy flea-bay folk start selling their SD DVR-722 as a ViP722. Maybe they could do the same for the 921?
Regarding the lack of a second ATSC tuner on the ViP 622/722, wouldn't it be cool if Dish would support something like this being plugged into the USB port?
Regarding the lack of a second ATSC tuner on the ViP 622/722, wouldn't it be cool if Dish would support something like this being plugged into the USB port?
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I believe you are right. That didn't stop Google from finding a DVR-722, though
I said it was late...
Do you really think Dish could send an "unprotected" ATSC signal out over coax to a remote TV today? And let people easily record it and post it on the internet? It isn't going to happen.
I was only addressing the cost and technical aspects which E* has already shown aren't nearly as daunting as E* led brad1138 to believe.
You're probably right. Is it possible for a STB to set the "record once" bit in the ATSC stream before passing it on? Despite their favorable viewer rights statements, E* has been a bit of a johnny-come-lately when it comes to introducing innovations for those viewers (networked DVRs, add-on storage).
You're probably right. Is it possible for a STB to set the "record once" bit in the ATSC stream before passing it on? Despite their favorable viewer rights statements, E* has been a bit of a johnny-come-lately when it comes to introducing innovations for those viewers (networked DVRs, add-on storage).
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