Echostar 16 Launch - November 20 2012

I would have thought that they would have sorted out the problems with Briz after the last couple of them exploded. Apparently not.
 
Hmm, maybe Echostar should re-evaluate the company they are using to launch their satellites if they have that high of a rate of failure Probably the cheapest they could go with as to why it was their choice.
 
"The work of the Interdepartmental Commission
August 7, 2012 ::

On August 7 at the Federal Space Agency-led by V.A.Popovkin a meeting of the Interdepartmental Commission (IDC) was held to analyze the causes of the abnormal launch of carrier rocket "Proton-M" with upper block (RB) "Briz-M" and spacecraft "Express MD2 "and" Telkom-3 ', which occurred on the eve from the Baikonur cosmodrome.

On the first day the members of the IDC conducted a rapid analysis of the received telemetry data, based on which a preliminary conclusion can be drawn about the normal functioning of the management system of the Briz-M RB. It is also noted that the RB engine did not come out to the nominal thrust, as a result it was automatically shut-off.

Until the causes of the contingency are elucidated, preparations for RB launches are suspended.

In the Commission, which is headed by the First Deputy General Director of FSUE TsNIIMash O.P.Skorobogatov, were formed six working groups in key areas.

During the meeting were heard the leaders of the enterprises - manufacturers of rocket and space technology V.E.Nesterov (Director General of Khrunichev), A.S.Syrov (Chief Designer of FSUE OKB "Mars"), V.A. Petrik (CEO of KBHM.Isaev).

Addressing the participants of the meeting, the head of the Russian Federal Space Agency asked to organize a thorough search for the causes that led to the contingency, and "not a witch hunt." According to him the degree of guilt of specific employees from the chief to the department manager of the agency, will be judged only after carrying out all necessary verification activities. Also required staff modifications will be implemented. "A number of media statements by unnamed representatives of the aerospace industry that personnel actions concerning a number of leaders have already been taken are not true", - said V.A.Popovkin.

On August 8 the members of the Commission will continue their work at Khrunichev."


One of the last failures was attributed to debris in the fuel lines. Could be a repeat?
 
Stargazer said:
Hmm, maybe Echostar should re-evaluate the company they are using to launch their satellites if they have that high of a rate of failure Probably the cheapest they could go with as to why it was their choice.

Cheapest rings a bell LOUDLY. However, the Proton launcher has been very reliable. It's just the new improved upper stage (briz-m) that has proven troublesome. I'm sure there's always political pressure to come up with an explanation quickly, even if it's not a complete explanation. I'd imagine in Russia that pressure would be even greater, as a holdover from Soviet days.
 
There is not a lot of choice. They have used sea launch, ESA and the Chinese in the past. Sea launch went bankrupt and was acquired by the Russians, and has started launching again after a couple year gap.

I think it is more of who has a launch available as to who they choose.
 
The rumor coming out of the Russian space press is that a fuel line that was changed out failed (possible gasket failure).
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Yesterday at the State Research and Production Space Center (Khrunichev) them. Khrunichev interdepartmental committee to clarify the contingency of the upper stage "Breeze-M" at a second meeting. The specialists consider several versions of what happened, but according to "Kommersant", the most likely cause of the accident is considered to be mechanical failure of the main cable, the fuel supply. However, according to sources, "b", the ban on the launch bundles "Proton-M" and "the Briz-M" will be removed before the end of next week, but before you start using all the products will now undergo further testing.

Yesterday morning, the specialists of the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos) managed to get the full amount of telemetry data from the board, "the Briz-M", which, as reported by the "b" the day before, was the cause of abnormal start launcher "Proton-M" with communication satellites "Express MD2 'and Telcom-3. According to the source "b" in the inter-ministerial committee, the situation is complicated by the fact that "razgonnik" spinning in space and the signal can be obtained only when the antenna was oriented to the Earth - that's why the process took almost all night.


The Commission, headed by First Deputy General Director of FSUE "Central Research Institute of Machine Building" Oleg Skorobogatova, Khrunichev was collected in them. Khrunichev. The work itself was carried out, according to the "Y", six working groups in key areas: organizational, telemetry, to investigate the causes of the incident (four groups).


According to the results obtained by telemetry experts yesterday found that after seven seconds after the second turn passed command to automatically disable the propulsion system. Sources of "b" are confident that the problem lies precisely in its work, since the analysis of telemetry is practically ruled out a version with a failure in the control system. "It was established that after the second turn the propulsion system pressure has fallen sharply in the fuel tank. This led to the nominal thrust has been achieved - the source says," b "in the commission. - In connection with this electronics automatically issued a command to switch off the engine ". That is why, according to him, including third set was not dismantled.


The pressure drop could be caused by several factors. According to sources, "b" is either the presence of foreign objects in the tank, which could cause obstruction of the main cable, or its mechanical failure. "This option (mechanical damage. - "b" ) looks more real. Besides a few weeks ago, the cable had to re-run because of some problems. Therefore, the start had to be postponed for two weeks - the source says, "b" in Roskosmos. - There's a lot of rubber gaskets that could fall. For this type of product, even the slightest bend can be fatal. " According to the source "b" variant with blockages can not be excluded completely, although "it looks extremely unlikely." Recall that this blockage was the cause of abnormal motor unit (RD-0110) third stage rocket "Soyuz-U", which caused the truck accident Space "Progress M12-M" (see "Kommersant" on August 25, 2011).


However, according to the "Y" to the end of next week's Federal Space Agency could lift the ban on flights of rockets "Proton-M" with the upper stage "Breeze-M". This will be done in order to not disrupt the schedule of launches in the coming months: for example, on August 23 should be launched into orbit spacecraft Intelsat-23, September 8, planned to launch satellites, "Ray-5B" and "Yamal-300 K," is scheduled September 25 launch vehicle EchoStar-16, October 13 - Satmex-8, and on November 22 - Anik-G1. But at the same time, according to a source "b" in the Russian Space Agency, will be additional measures to verify the "razgonnikov", which are already at the launch site.


In addition, as the source added, "b", now the leadership of Russian Space Agency, the issue of fundamental change in the system testing of launch vehicles of all types. In particular, we plan to introduce additional testing representatives of Federal Space Agency has already started at the stage of assembly, it is finished, and already immediately after the removal of rockets on the launch pad. To date, validation occurs only in the latter case, and is based on the conclusion of the state commission.


Ivan Safronov
 
Well, the Russians accepted the resignation (first of many?) of the head of the Briz M program. Their press reports that the top experts are 60-70 years old and their lingering ecomomic crisis had created a an age gap in knowledge that needs to be rebuilt.

Said the fault was lack of fuel supply (maybe caused by a pinched helium line used to pressurize and drive fuel from the tanks during the combustion cycle).

Little bit different than the American programs. Here, our government programs give the manufacturer a guaranteed return, have them do the fix and pay twice when something goes wrong.
Never will forget when Texas used English Units and California used Metric (or vice versa) on one launch or when they misground the Hubble.
 
The misgrind was one thing. Not testing it in order to save essentially pennies was what I found unforgivable.
 
Nelson, can you show a foot print picture from echostar XVI, i can't installer anything in my operating system.Is locked. Thxs...
 

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