So far it seems that the only stand alone dvr I have found is the tivo and frankly Im not interested in paying a monthly sub ontop of buying the equipment. I had thought about getting a wintv card for the comp but that isnt really feasable in the duplex here without splitting the cable behind the charter box and running it around the room. Charters dvr's are on back order and its $14.95 a month for the service through them so again not something I want to pay a monthly sub for, any suggestions out there for a non dvd burning dvr thats not atached to a sat receiver or cable box?