DISH's second quarter number posted and they lost 281,000 subs

[rvvaquero]

I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you that some of you don't run your own tv satellite company since you know so much about how Charlie should run his company. Just shocked!

Yep, instead of making $400 million profit a year, the geniuses here would rather spend 8 hours a day posting on an internet bulletin board. Such a waste of talent.

 

[klang]

Isn't there a thread like this after every quarterly release? With the same stuff by the same people every time?

 

[Bobby]

Isn't there a thread like this after every quarterly release? With the same stuff by the same people every time?

Yes, for years and years and years....

 

[KAB]

Isn't there a thread like this after every quarterly release? With the same stuff by the same people every time?

You've been a member her for how many years???

 

[dishcomm]

Again that's great for the 1 room customer.

So the only way to save money is have 1 TV and call Dish and ask for a retention only package that isn't advertised.

Sorry I'll take the Top 120 pack before I call and Ask Dish for charity.
Plus I'm fairly sure most customers Under a price lock would lose all their credits.

Right now
My Bill is as Follows
Top 250 $ 74.99
Additional Hopper $12
4 additional rooms $21
HBO ,Showtime, Starz, Cinemax, Movie pack.$35
+ 6% sales tax
Total $157
This includes my $27 price lock credit.
Must maintain Top 120+


So with your Flex pack.
Flex $44.99
DVR fee $12
Additional Hopper $12
4 rooms $28
$35 For Premiums
$139.50 with tax.

With Hopper 3
DVR fee would be $15 +3
Replaced Hopper 2 with Joey $7 -5
$137.50
Difference of

$20 savings.
No thanks
I'll just drop down to Top 200 save $10, drop Starz, save another $10
And then I'll still have way more channels than anyone with the Flex pack for the same price.
And wait until Charlie adds that 1 room fee on all your Hopper 3 accounts.
I know he's dying to fill that open slot on the bill.

Not sure why you would even need a Hopper 3 with that Flex pack?
Do you even have 16 channels.

Now back on topic, I bet the 281,000 hardly includes the full effect of NFL or Tribune disputes.
I'm waiting on 3rd quarter.






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Now back on topic, I bet the 281,000 hardly includes the full effect of NFL or Tribune disputes.
Oh yeah. If Dish does not bring back the NFL Network and the Red Zone they will get hit hard with defections.
the fight with Tribune is just icing on the cake.
Dish is going to lose a lot more customers if these things are not resolved.

 

[dishcomm]

Looks like Att/Directv lost 49,000 subs total when they factored in the 342,000 positive subs for Directv minus the 391,000 negative subs from Uverse. So Dish wasn't alone in the 2nd quarter losses.


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That's a different story. People are leaving dish because they are pissed off with the never ending carriage disputes.

 

[dishcomm]

That's not how it works. If you have half the customers, you have half the subscribers to a channel, and that channel only gets half the revenue from the contract. The contracts are written per-sub.

For instance, ESPN gets $6 per subscriber. If this month there are 10,000,000 customers with ESPN in their packages, ESPN gets $60 million. Next month 9,000,000 subscribe to ESPN, they would only get $54 million.

Actually,. the provider pays the producer based on the number of subs in the customer base. So if Dish agrees to pay $6 per month per sub to ESPN, that is whazt Dish collects plus profit of course per sub...If Dish lost 100,000 customers, dish is bound by the terms of the contract. The amount Dish pays ESPN stays the same....
Its similar to......Media removed by Admin
I hope I don't get into trouble for that....
But its so applicable

 

[Troch77]

Actually,. the provider pays the producer based on the number of subs in the customer base. So if Dish agrees to pay $6 per month per sub to ESPN, that is whazt Dish collects plus profit of course per sub...If Dish lost 100,000 customers, dish is bound by the terms of the contract. The amount Dish pays ESPN stays the same....

I hope I don't get into trouble for that....
But its so applicable

My favorite movie.

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[Stormy_2021]

My favorite movie.

Debbie Does Dallas XVIII..?

 

[Troch77]

Debbie Does Dallas XVIII..?

It was Goodfellas.


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[rvvaquero]

People are leaving dish because they are pissed off with the never ending carriage disputes.

Who polled these people? Or, is that just an educated guess? I've read of several who left DISH for Direct TV so they could get the ATT unlimited wireless. Not saying that's the major reason, just know that it's a pretty common reason in the RV community. I would assume that others are also attracted to the bundling option.

 

[zippyfrog]

Who polled these people? Or, is that just an educated guess? I've read of several who left DISH for Direct TV so they could get the ATT unlimited wireless. Not saying that's the major reason, just know that it's a pretty common reason in the RV community. I would assume that others are also attracted to the bundling option.

This is what I have been hit with. Being an AT&T U-verse internet subscriber and Dish TV subscriber, if I switch to either U-Verse TV or DirecTV I would no longer have the 600GB monthly limit on my internet - unlimited bandwidth if you are a TV subscriber as well. So not the wireless but the normal internet.

https://www.att.com/support/internet/usage.html

 

[sundude90]

They could do something with the Swath of LTE Spectrum they have to make them standout. Like mobile TV on the go with LTE that doesn't use your data. Partnering with t-mobile and providing phone service bundles


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[anex80]

This is what I have been hit with. Being an AT&T U-verse internet subscriber and Dish TV subscriber, if I switch to either U-Verse TV or DirecTV I would no longer have the 600GB monthly limit on my internet - unlimited bandwidth if you are a TV subscriber as well. So not the wireless but the normal internet.

https://www.att.com/support/internet/usage.html

This is what I just did, combining UVerse and Directv. You also become eligible for an unlimited cell data plan if you have DTV and ATT Wireless.


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[zippyfrog]

This is what I just did, combining UVerse and Directv. You also become eligible for an unlimited cell data plan if you have DTV and ATT Wireless.


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This is very tempting - unlimited bandwidth for internet and wireless by just having AT&T being the TV provider. But I really like Dish's price and customer service when I have needed it. And NFL Network is the only channel I watch I have lost where it impacts me. But not having caps...that is so tempting.

 

[Troch77]

Who polled these people? Or, is that just an educated guess? I've read of several who left DISH for Direct TV so they could get the ATT unlimited wireless. Not saying that's the major reason, just know that it's a pretty common reason in the RV community. I would assume that others are also attracted to the bundling option.

Who said they went to Directv ?

No where does it say 281,000 customers went to Directv.
No where is there proof Bundling options are the cause either.

I look at the Facts at hand.
Dropped channels piss people off.
Then they go looking, then they find something that makes them happy for now.
Bundling is just a bonus option, which isn't always better.

You don't need Directv to have ATT, and it isn't necessarily cheaper to bundle that way.
Millions of Verizon customer have Directv, and want absolutely nothing to do with ATT.

If it was that great of a deal, I would have been gone a long time ago.
Trust me I research more about price/equipment/and Internet than any other research.
It's a good deal, but unlike some of you guys $120 per year isn't something that going to make me piss my pants.

Changing Providers is a pain in the ass when you have 4 other people to be responsible for.

Directv waving around a bundle price isn't taking away Dish customers.

DISH is fully responsible for that!


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[rvvaquero]

Who said they went to Directv ?

No where does it say 281,000 customers went to Directv.
No where is there proof Bundling options are the cause either.

I look at the Facts at hand.
Dropped channels piss people off.
Then they go looking, then they find something that makes them happy for now.
Bundling is just a bonus option, which isn't always better.

You don't need Directv to have ATT, and it isn't necessarily cheaper to bundle that way.
Millions of Verizon customer have Directv, and want absolutely nothing to do with ATT.

If it was that great of a deal, I would have been gone a long time ago.
Trust me I research more about price/equipment/and Internet than any other research.
It's a good deal, but unlike some of you guys $120 per year isn't something that going to make me piss my pants.

Changing Providers is a pain in the ass when you have 4 other people to be responsible for.

Directv waving around a bundle price isn't taking away Dish customers.

DISH is fully responsible for that!


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First of all, I never suggested that 281,000 subs went to Direct TV or ATT. The post I responded to stated that people left DISH because they were pissed about disputes. I simply suggested that there are other reasons to leave, including an offer from ATT to get unlimited wireless data with Direct TV. Verizon no longer offers unlimited data and many customers value that.

As far as the "facts at hand", you seem to pretty regularly have your own set of facts. How do you know that "dropped channels piss people off", other than a handful of responders on this online bulletin board. SatGuys is a great forum and wonderful resource, but it is hardly a barometer for what the typical satellite tv customer is doing or feeling.

I simply asked "who polled these people". I think that's a legitimate question when someone proposes to speak for a large group of people. If it's just a hunch, guess, or opinion that's perfectly okay too but should be identified as that.

You seem to just wander around the forums, looking for someone to pick a fight with. Find someone else, I'm not interested in your silliness.

 

[Troch77]

First of all, I never suggested that 281,000 subs went to Direct TV or ATT. The post I responded to stated that people left DISH because they were pissed about disputes. I simply suggested that there are other reasons to leave, including an offer from ATT to get unlimited wireless data with Direct TV. Verizon no longer offers unlimited data and many customers value that.

As far as the "facts at hand", you seem to pretty regularly have your own set of facts. How do you know that "dropped channels piss people off", other than a handful of responders on this online bulletin board. SatGuys is a great forum and wonderful resource, but it is hardly a barometer for what the typical satellite tv customer is doing or feeling.

I simply asked "who polled these people". I think that's a legitimate question when someone proposes to speak for a large group of people. If it's just a hunch, guess, or opinion that's perfectly okay too but should be identified as that.

You seem to just wander around the forums, looking for someone to pick a fight with. Find someone else, I'm not interested in your silliness.

That's the Difference between you and me, I go by what the real world thinks, you go by what's posted on SatelliteGuys.

You think Dish losing customers because of other people bundle packs, and nothing to do with channel disputes?

That's what SatelliteGuys Dishnetwork fan members say.

Anything to point the finger away from reality.

Same with this Flex pack, Like it's a massive breakthrough in the real world of Dish Network.

But Yet, we all seem to forget that The Welcome pack, Smart Packs and Dish America packs, Bronze Silver and Gold ,Heartland pack, Outdoor pack, Sling TV and many other Under $50 packages have been around for YEARS, and Guess what..
STILL can't net a subscriber, and dropping subs.
At this rate close to a Million customers from that once High 14.2 million.

Sorry but dish is working in the wrong area IMO.

But what ever. Just wait till 3rd quarter.
And while profits are up now, they will drop far quicker when these reports start to reflect effect of missing subscribers.

While a repackaging is nice, It still doesn't make your channels more secure, your HD PQ any better, Or your wallet any less smashed than before.

Most of the ones bragging about there massive savings, are also the same guys that Buy their equipment at retail which is IMO throwing your saving right out the window,
or switch Providers every other year, or call in and beg for charity.

95% of customers don't do this.





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[Tampa8]

Actually,. the provider pays the producer based on the number of subs in the customer base.

No they don't. Part of the contract is what packages the channel will be in. It's why Top120 (not +) costs less, Some of the Sports is out of it, DISH isn't paying those Sports programmers for those subs, so the package is less. In fact, it's the complete essence of the RSN's. They demand if they are to be carried that they are in the main packages because they know if they are not many won't pay what they would charge.
You can bet part of the negotiations are about just what DISH has done - created a package with no ESPN, NO RSN, no locals, etc.. but does have most of the Cable channels or at least most of the higher ratings ones. That is a very important distinction from the Welcome package and Smart Pack, even the Top 120.

 

[Troch77]

No they don't. Part of the contract is what packages the channel will be in. It's why Top120 (not +) costs less, Some of the Sports is out of it, DISH isn't paying those Sports programmers for those subs, so the package is less. In fact, it's the complete essence of the RSN's. They demand if they are to be carried that they are in the main packages because they know if they are not many won't pay what they would charge.
You can bet part of the negotiations are about just what DISH has done - created a package with no ESPN, NO RSN, no locals, etc.. but does have most of the Cable channels or at least most of the higher ratings ones. That is a very important distinction from the Welcome package and Smart Pack, even the Top 120.

While that is True, what we are saying is a contract is based on several factors.
If Dish is losing customers, the contract doesn't change because Dish couldn't retain a customer.

The networks are still going to get paid the same.

It goes by the number of subscibers in the pack during contract negotiations.
Sure there can be clauses, But I'm sure it's an overall rate based on what could potentially happen whether a rise in customers or drop in customers.

No matter what that bill is there.

Your Gains and Losses for this contract, will come into play next time around.





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