DISH -VS- VOOM - A Settlement has been reached!

[jacmyoung]

Its a judges job to try encouraging them to settle. (Then he dosen't have to do his job and waste the courts time)

They all say that, but I am convinced in some districts, Judges want the cases to support local economy. Just see how hard they fight off motions to transfer venues.

 

[GaryPen]

I don't want to see AMC back. I hope Dish makes a stand here, as I think it will temper future demands from other providers.

Except there were no demands. There was no negotiation of any kind with AMC. Charlie simply decided to drop them at the end of the contract, well before the contract was up.

 

[whatchel1]

Well, since the Godfather put a horses head in somebodies bed, I guess that leaves Charlie a horses ass!

Kind of fitting, if you ask me... lol

Now was that really called for, No. But it was kinda funny anyway.

 

[whatchel1]

Ok it's been awhile I remember when we use to have Voom so someone do a refresher Dish bought them out then at some point pulled the plug on them. I guess Voom thinks they still should be on the air or they feel like they were not treated right or something.. Just don't remember what the fuss was all about.. I will have to read through the pdf when I get time..

No Dish only bought the sat after VOOM went belly up. VOOM had be a competing sat/cable co before the agreement tween E* and VOOM. This is how Charlie wound up w/the 61.5 slot.

 

[whatchel1]

[h=1]Voom-EchoStar Trial Delayed Until Monday[/h]By: Jon Lafayette (Broadcasting & Cable) 2012-09-20 12:48:00

The trial between Charlie Ergen's EchoStar and the Dolan family's shuttered Voom HD service was postponed till Monday.

The court did not have enough potential jurors to begin the section process, according to analyst Thomas Claps, of Susquehanna Financial Group.

Claps says that at the end of the court session, Judge Richard Lowe III "encouraged the parties to engage in discussions" aimed at settling the matter.

Voom, which was part of Rainbow Media, the predecessor company to AMC Networks, sued EchoStar for $2.4 billion charging that the satellite distributor breached a 15 year contract to carry the suite of HD channel.
Yesterday, Judge Lowe, made several rulings that seemed to go in Voom's favor.

A settlement could include restored carriage for AMC Networks cable channels, which have been blacked out on Dish Network since July. AMC Networks claims that ts channels were pulled by Dish to give it leverage in talks to settle the suit.

http://www.multichannel.com/news-article/voom-echostar-trial-delayed-until-monday/139328

Actually a good poker move. E gets to see what card Voom has and how the court plays this before they decided to say eat it or make a deal.

 

[whatchel1]

I don't want to see AMC back. I hope Dish makes a stand here, as I think it will temper future demands from other providers.

I would like to see them back after they go down for the count.

 

[navychop]

It does seem Charles is on that path to remove providers when he does not like them. The day he removes ESPN, is the day I call him a serious gamer. He actually backed down in the TiVo v. Dish case, IMHO. My speculation was at the time Hopper was in final stage and needed help from the TiVo DVR trick, so he settled.

You may be quite right. Certainly, even with ESPN not what it used to be in some minds, it's almost a necessity. Unless Charlie Ergen wants to be a nearly sports free satco. Lower cost approach, that. Unless too many subs are lost.

 

[navychop]

I see you're playing the role of Howard Cosell today. Let's see if Dish has the guts to challenge Fox News, USA, TNT and ESPN.

Anyway, does anyone feel a settlement will be negotiated over the weekend? Judge Lowe did "encouraged the parties to engage in discussions" aimed at settling the matter. neinacrowd:

Howard Cosell! Wounded, wounded I am!

 

[navychop]

Except there were no demands. There was no negotiation of any kind with AMC. Charlie simply decided to drop them at the end of the contract, well before the contract was up.

Well, there are reports that they would not sell AMC alone. That's a demand. And one I think most of us would like see destroyed, as a general policy.

 

[GaryPen]

Well, there are reports that they would not sell AMC alone. That's a demand. And one I think most of us would like see destroyed, as a general policy.

I do agree that bundling unpopular channels with popular ones is something almost everybody, other than the content owners themselves, would like to see ended.

But, from what I have read of the AMC disput specifically, there were no demands of any kind. It never got to the point of negotiation. Any negotiation. Of course, one would assume that AMC would push for bundling once they were actually in negotiations.

 

[jacmyoung]

Unless you love AMC I can understand the disappointment. But I don't see why Charlie was not in his right to end the AMC carriage.

It was undisputed VOOM took advantage of the contract, refused to accept alternative programming plans. So maybe Dish was careless when they terminated the VOOM contract, but now Cablevision wants his kidneys, he decides to stop providing his regular share of blood donation to AMC in return. Yet somehow it is a bad behavior?

 

[gpollock87]

charlie should just go ahead and settle and give us amc back. when it comes back bring ifc hd along with it.

 

[whatchel1]

charlie should just go ahead and settle and give us amc back. when it comes back bring ifc hd along with it.

Yeah, right for sure that will happen. NOT

 

[MikeD-C05]

Charlie is always stubborn in his lawsuits. Just look at how long the Tivo case took and how much money Charlie had to keep paying Tivo in damages over that period ,before finally licensing the software . Look at how long the distant networks lawsuit took and how it was finally resolved . Even had another company AAD take over the distant networks ,but use DISH receivers and pay rent for the satellite transponder they used for the distant networks. NO Charlie won't settle easily. He is hard headed and will only settle if there is no other alternative.

 

[TheKrell]

Just look at how long the Tivo case took and how much money Charlie had to keep paying Tivo in damages over that period ,before finally licensing the software.

This is a sore point with me, because I remember how silky smooth trick play was on my 501 before Dish took out the Tivo IP. Now, how many years and $500M later, including finally licensing the software... Is there any Dish receiver that has smooth and accurate trick play again? I don't see it on my 612, nor my 722. I see very tricky backward skipping on both. Sometimes it does nothing, or returns all the way to the beginning of a recording! Frankly I think Dish spent that $500M to make the lawsuit go away, but did nothing to re-incorporate Tivo IP.

 

[jacmyoung]

This is a sore point with me, because I remember how silky smooth trick play was on my 501 before Dish took out the Tivo IP. Now, how many years and $500M later, including finally licensing the software... Is there any Dish receiver that has smooth and accurate trick play again? I don't see it on my 612, nor my 722. I see very tricky backward skipping on both. Sometimes it does nothing, or returns all the way to the beginning of a recording! Frankly I think Dish spent that $500M to make the lawsuit go away, but did nothing to re-incorporate Tivo IP.

How is the Hopper trick play? I guess they did not want to spend more to correct the old receivers, or could it be that the settlement only allowed new Dish DVRs to use the TiVo's trick play?

Before the en banc hearing, he offered TiVo a little over $100M a year to settle, TiVo declined. After the en banc ruling, they settled for $500M for the next 7 years. Seemed to me the en banc ruling was better than Charlie had thought, and worse than TiVo had expected.

 

[ScottChez]

So dish just got the big 10 back today after it was dropped. Maybe they are on a roll and they will work a deal before court Monday and get AMC back.
I am hearing most are getting credit off there bills if they call and complain. Like $5 off for 6 months and free NFLred zone via the sports pack.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Who knows maybe at CES they will announce that all the channels are back. Amc, and even the Disney HD channels.

But I am expecting a big price increases once dish had a 2 year freeze on package price increases.

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[riffjim4069]

Any idea who blinked in Dish vs BTN? Just like most agreements, I doubt we'll hear anything beyond the flowery press releases.

 

[gpollock87]

Who knows maybe at CES they will announce that all the channels are back. Amc, and even the Disney HD channels.

But I am expecting a big price increases once dish had a 2 year freeze on package price increases.

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I hope it won't be that big of an increase.