Dish/Tribune Dispute

[comfortably_numb]

According to RabbitEars, there will be 60 stations operating on VHF-Lo after the repack with 17 moving there from UHF or VHF-Hi.
RabbitEars.Info

I stand corrected. I believe that's still a relatively low number of stations, though.

 

[Voyager6]

I stand corrected. I believe that's still a relatively low number of stations, though.

It represents about 10% of the stations moving to VHF but a drastic drop in reception area for those in the markets affected.

 

[ncted]

Well, since you presumably support (ie: agree with) the guy you posted the video of, and HE says the problems should go away, why do you doubt him?

No, not "many" of the stations will be relocating to low-V. Some? Sure.

And why would I comment about hi-speed broadband? I'm not arguing about the broadband coverage anywhere. My statement is simply the majority (ie: MOST) people can receive OTA. MANY choose not to.

As a percentage of the population, you are probably correct, however, the ones who cannot receive OTA are also unlikely to have a way to receive wired or wireless broadband. It is satellite or nothing in many of those cases.

 

[mwdxer1]

Satellite internet covers about anywhere, but it is expensive. I know people that have had it and speeds are low and there is a data cap.

 

[comfortably_numb]

Satellite internet covers about anywhere, but it is expensive. I know people that have had it and speeds are low and there is a data cap.

And the latency is awful-

 

[navychop]

That may change, to some degree, in a couple of years or so. STARLINK might start in 2020 with limited service. So let’s SWAG 2022 for sorta reasonable service, as they launch more satellites.

OneWeb can’t be far behind, and there are others.

I expect the world of 2025 to be quite different from today. LEO and MEO Internet satellite service; 5G to the home for Internet service, and to a much lesser extent, to cell phones; better batteries coming available in BEVs; and ATSC 3 either taking a foothold or failing.

Not to mention, AirGIG might come on line by then (if ever).

But most of all: I should be comfortably retired by then! Actually, sometime in the 2020-2022 timeframe.


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[JSheridan]

So in your entire DMA, the vast majority can not receive OTA? Or just the counties near you?

Also let me add that some folks around here could probably get a little bit of OTA if they put a big enough antenna high enough in the air. Unfortunately most people either can't or won't spend the kind of money it takes to do that.

 

[Howard Simmons]

Also let me add that some folks around here could probably get a little bit of OTA if they put a big enough antenna high enough in the air. Unfortunately most people either can't or won't spend the kind of money it takes to do that.

I disagree. I live in the Pan Handle of Florida and live in a apartment. I can't receive any of the major networks in my area and I had to argue with my landlord just to put up my Dish antenna, so you could imagine me going and asking to put up a 30 foot high antenna. Also I'm not receiving my Fox station because of the Meredith disputes.

 

[JSheridan]

I disagree. I live in the Pan Handle of Florida and live in a apartment. I can't receive any of the major networks in my area and I had to argue with my landlord just to put up my Dish antenna, so you could imagine me going and asking to put up a 30 foot high antenna. Also I'm not receiving my Fox station because of the Meredith disputes.

Actually I think we're agreeing.

 

[The Fat Man]

You would get select NHL games, not the whole slate. View attachment 140048

I know that. Still figured it would cover some of my loss. Honestly, the cost for my tickets would cover a subscription for Center Ice, but I'm not looking to watch one or two games every night.

 

[sam_gordon]

As a percentage of the population, you are probably correct, however, the ones who cannot receive OTA are also unlikely to have a way to receive wired or wireless broadband. It is satellite or nothing in many of those cases.

Have I said anything that refutes that?

My PERSONAL opinion is those people who can not get OTA via "reasonable means" (ie: putting an external antenna on a pole outside a house is reasonable, expecting someone to put up a 30' tower is not) shouldn't be charged for locals. Of course, then you'd need to define who can pick up OTA and who would have the burden of proof?

 

[zippyfrog]

I just checked dishpromise.com and it now says that there are no disputes in my area. Being in Chicago, I previously got the dispute message for WGN channel 9.

 

[Tampa8]

Have I said anything that refutes that?

My PERSONAL opinion is those people who can not get OTA via "reasonable means" (ie: putting an external antenna on a pole outside a house is reasonable, expecting someone to put up a 30' tower is not) shouldn't be charged for locals. Of course, then you'd need to define who can pick up OTA and who would have the burden of proof?

I would say the same way it was done to qualify for Distants. If by FCC charts you are deemed to be able to get OTA based on whatever the standard is for antenna height etc you must pay. You can challenge it but you must pay for the on site survey is how it worked as I remember.
If by the charts you are not deemed able to get OTA you don't pay.

 

[Nominal]

I just checked dishpromise.com and it now says that there are no disputes in my area. Being in Chicago, I previously got the dispute message for WGN channel 9.

Same thing with me and my local Tribune owned CW39. Before when I put my zip code in on the dishpromise.com site I got a message warning about a possible takedown. Now I get "Good news! There are currently no programming disputes for the ZIP code entered."

 

[ncted]

Have I said anything that refutes that?

No, nor did I accuse you of saying so.

 

[dennispap]

Same thing with me and my local Tribune owned CW39. Before when I put my zip code in on the dishpromise.com site I got a message warning about a possible takedown. Now I get "Good news! There are currently no programming disputes for the ZIP code entered."

Same here in the New Orleans area.

 

[DJ Lon]

Just got my latest TV Guide. Thought you'd like to see part of the WGN America ad on the back page--read in-between the red type at the bottom

 

[The Fat Man]

WGN was best when it was a Chicago Superstation feed. I liked the local news and the baseball coverage. WGN America isn't something I enjoy. It isn't worth holding my breath to come back.

 

[DJ Lon]

The point I was trying to make was the obvious absence of mentioning Dish...as in "possible dispute coming" at the time of printing