Dish Swings to Third-Quarter Loss

Guess I will be holding off on Hopping to the new equipment till the Feb increase is known. Right now thinking of it but my fees would go up from $16 to $38 if I upgraded now. If they raise the fee to $8 per, makes it $42 a month in fees and that would keep me from doing it I think. Will have to see how things shake out in the next few months with fuel prices, heating home and food prices, TV is becoming less of a priority. DISH should know that too.
 
Don't think I meant that all the things I mentioned as increases, will be included at the same time. I mean that DISH could do a combination of things like various fees and maybe a smaller price hike per pack. But $8.00 would not be a stretch since they did just that two years ago before their "price freeze". And don't forget that DIRECTV will announce their price increases the month after DISH does it in February. They will still be cheaper than DIRECTV, because DISH doesn't have $10.00 of their NFL Sunday ticket included in all of the basic programming packs, like DIRECTV does.

Even a single $8 increase is going to price some subscribers, either out of their current package, or into an HD OTA.
 
Probably increase in fees, including the now reasonable Hopper system fees, perhaps an increase on ALL fees such as Protection Plan, etc., EVERY FEE. Then increase on packages, but the lower the package the lower the increase. Charlie (and Joe, now) are very comfortable really sticking it to AEP folks. Dish just can't have a high fee increase at its lower packages as those people are least loyal and will be the first to leave and take advantage of new customer promos from competitors. The higher package subs and those with higher level equipment/systems are the more loyal customers as those folks as less inclined to leave so quickly as they like the channels they get for the price and like their equipment such as the Hopper and feel a move to a competitor would be an inferior experience or one they are not in the mood to experiment with, unless the hike is just too high, then even those sub jump ship, but more likely to downgrade and stay with Dish. The cost for a tech visit with Protection Plan may go up to $20. I just think they are gonna go to fee us til we drop, make the package increases, but tell us that they haven't raised the package prices for 2 years, so we should be very happy with a substantially higher bill per month, much of higher fees.

I just have strong feeling the Hopper fees, in particular, which include the box/client, DVR or Whole Home Fee are going to go up. At $7 per box, Dish might view that as lots of room to increase. I HOPE NOT. I would be saving money on the fees, but it seems like $7 per box is too good to last.

I think people are more loyal to their wallets and they get into a package they can afford. I had the AEP for years and downgraded 4 years ago to the top 250, and a year ago I downgraded to the top 200, not because I am not as loyal as I was in the past, but the cost is becoming outrageous. That's what happens when you nickle and dime the crap out of your customers. IMHO, with general and administrative expenses growing 13.7% year over year, higher expenses related to call center operations, quarterly subscriber related revenue at $3,267.4 million, and $5.4B in the bank, I can't see how Dish could justify additional price increases.
 
Who knows if BB will be open beyond the end of the year,Dish last I heard was shutting it down.

Don't see that. Joe Clayton just said:

"I believe that we are properly positioned to capitalize on a seasonably stronger fourth quarter," Clayton told the magazine. "We'll also have a deeper inventory and high-impact titles that will be released during the fall selling season. This has been accomplished by negotiating improved trading terms with most of our studio partners."

http://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/news/2012/11/07/dish-ceo-still-high-on-blockbuster.html
 
Neither are particularly likely. The other providers are typically quite a bit higher.

Both are completely likely. Didn't you notice the few here that have said its becoming too expensive for them?

Its becoming much less expensive to get a Blockbuster or Netflix account, an HD OTA, and pay to stream your favorite TV shows.
 
While this can be open to interpretation from my point of view BB doesn't look like it will be around much longer.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads...ss-Delays?highlight=blockbuster+shutting+down

That was October, Ergen is no longer the top dog and the Clayton comments were noted in a 11/7 article. Furthermore, Ergen said:

I don’t think Blockbuster is going to be a mistake, but it’s unclear if that’s going to be a transformative decision.

Read both articles.
 
That was October, Ergen is no longer the top dog and the Clayton comments were noted in a 11/7 article. Furthermore, Ergen said:



Read both articles.

hehehe Hate to burst that bubble but,until Ergen sells Dish he will always be the top dog.Joe is basically the face.Everyone here knows that.Did you read the entire thread?

Dish no longer has plans to use Blockbuster as a nationwide video streaming or DVD-by-mail service, Ergen said.

Again I say it's open to interpretation but,I think BB is going the way of the buffalo.
 
hehehe Hate to burst that bubble but,until Ergen sells Dish he will always be the top dog.Joe is basically the face.Everyone here knows that.Did you read the entire thread?

Like I said, Ergen is no longer top dog.

Did you read the entire thread?

I take everything here with a grain of salt, so what is said in the thread really does not hold a lot of weight with me. I am more of a facts guy. ;)

Dish no longer has plans to use Blockbuster as a nationwide video streaming or DVD-by-mail service, Ergen said.

Again I say it's open to interpretation but,I think BB is going the way of the buffalo.

Right. Dish planned on a streaming service for mobile devices, but because the FCC has yet to rule, it has thrown a monkey wrench into their plans, but that does not mean Blockbuster is done anytime soon... your speculating from a few off-the-cuff comments by Charlie.

And it does not change anything I said regarding it being much less expensive to have a Blockbuster or Netflix account, an HD OTA, and pay to stream your favorite TV shows.
 
Like I said, Ergen is no longer top dog.



I take everything here with a grain of salt, so what is said in the thread really does not hold a lot of weight with me. I am more of a facts guy. ;)



Right. Dish planned on a streaming service for mobile devices, but because the FCC has yet to rule, it has thrown a monkey wrench into their plans, but that does not mean Blockbuster is done anytime soon... your speculating from a few off-the-cuff comments by Charlie.

And it does not change anything I said regarding it being much less expensive to have a Blockbuster or Netflix account, an HD OTA, and pay to stream your favorite TV shows.

Well you have one fact wrong.Charlie Ergen is the end all be all,the Alpha and Omega,when it comes to Dish.Keep in mind Joe Clayton is employed by Charlie.
 
The other providers are typically quite a bit higher.

If you want all the "bells and whistles", all providers are roughly priced the same. Dish shines because of their better pricing for middle tier packages, the amount of middle tier packages they offer, the different mini-packs offered, and their stb's are priced better than what the typical cabelco charges. Yes, I really do like Dish. But if I really wanted to cut costs, yet still have some sort of pay-tv package, Dish doesn't have anything on the cabelco I get my internet and phone service from. For an additional $15 per month, I could get a clear QAM package of 66 sd (USA, TNT, SyFy, AMC, etc.) and 8 hd (locals) channels. And I can connect to as many clear QAM tuner devices I want without any equipment fees. It would cost $11 more for that package with a sd dvr.
 
If you want all the "bells and whistles", all providers are roughly priced the same. Dish shines because of their better pricing for middle tier packages, the amount of middle tier packages they offer, the different mini-packs offered, and their stb's are priced better than what the typical cabelco charges. Yes, I really do like Dish. But if I really wanted to cut costs, yet still have some sort of pay-tv package, Dish doesn't have anything on the cabelco I get my internet and phone service from. For an additional $15 per month, I could get a clear QAM package of 66 sd (USA, TNT, SyFy, AMC, etc.) and 8 hd (locals) channels. And I can connect to as many clear QAM tuner devices I want without any equipment fees. It would cost $11 more for that package with a sd dvr.

$15 more?That's quite a bit imo,and for mostly sd?
 
$15 more?That's quite a bit imo,and for mostly sd?
You think that's too pricey? Hell, most "lifeline" tiers are $20+ anymore.

Yes, it's sd, but the tier has a lot of channels that Dish doesn't offer until you get to AT200. And you get a lot more for your money than with The Welcome Pack and The Smart Pack (also sd). And like I mentioned, it would be last gasp effort to keep pay-tv. Otherwise I would go strictly ota and streaming with my htpc.
 
You think that's too pricey? Hell, most "lifeline" tiers are $20+ anymore.

Yes, it's sd, but the tier has a lot of channels that Dish doesn't offer until you get to AT200. And you get a lot more for your money than with The Welcome Pack and The Smart Pack (also sd). And like I mentioned, it would be last gasp effort to keep pay-tv. Otherwise I would go strictly ota and streaming with my htpc.

Gotcha.;) I'm surprised you don't get clear qam with just an internet subscription.Get 37 channels with charter.
 
Well you have one fact wrong.Charlie Ergen is the end all be all,the Alpha and Omega,when it comes to Dish.Keep in mind Joe Clayton is employed by Charlie.

I realize what you are saying is he holds the majority of the voting power of the shares, but Ergen is COB and law imposes strict duties on directors. Dish is still a publicly traded corporation, Clayton is employed by the corporation and both he and Ergen kowtow to the shareholder.
 
Don't think I meant that all the things I mentioned as increases, will be included at the same time. I mean that DISH could do a combination of things like various fees and maybe a smaller price hike per pack. But $8.00 would not be a stretch since they did just that two years ago before their "price freeze". And don't forget that DIRECTV will announce their price increases the month after DISH does it in February. They will still be cheaper than DIRECTV, because DISH doesn't have $10.00 of their NFL Sunday ticket included in all of the basic programming packs, like DIRECTV does.
Where are you getting this? Back in 2011 my AT250 went up $5, not $8.
 

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