Dish Network Earnings Call
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What are you talking about. Look at the polls. Voom is popular enough. Why blame Voom for E*s bad earnings? You should be blaming E* as they are the ones that did nothing and let D* get way ahead of them. Locals/national hd/ and sports D* has them beat big time. And now they finally come through with new HD everyone has been waiting for but they take 10-15 channels away. Great strategy!
I am not happy that the channels are gone. I did enjoy a few of them. However, like I have said before, to keep subscribers Voom needed more/better content not just the better technical aspects. The GREAT majority of people are going to watch programs that they like. SD or HD is not as important as interesting content. VOOMs big problem is that they are no longer the only choice to watch to get HD programming. I remember hearing John Dvorak on TechTV say something like; We now know who the Walmart of the internet is going to be, it's going to be Walmart. The internet only stores lost their appeal as more real stores began selling on the internet. The same thing has happened to Voom, the HD only channels have lost their appeal as more real channels began broadcasting HD.
Since proof has been asked the other way, what polls do you have to show that proves this?
Edit: I am honestly just curious what the numbers are
Voom to me is like PBS. I hunt out the stuff that I like on PBS...Nova, Frontline, American Experience, Austin City Limits. I dont expect PBS to air new episodes of those shows every week, and frankly, I'm relieved when they don't, as I cant keep up with what's already on my DVR, and 750g EHD. Voom's like that for me. I'll get to it eventually, and thank god it'll be on again. Love to have Equator on on a Saturday morning, and learn stuff while I'm goofing around the house...commercial free! In Voom's defense, they have added some great new series on many of their channels since I've subscribed in January 2007. My favorite was 'What the Window Washer Saw" on Gallery - basically amazing skyscrapers around the world, and how the window washers actually clean those monsters. It was awesome.
The people that post on a satellite board about Voom are not a scientific sample of satellite subscribers.
Ahhhh, ok. I thought there was a larger poll you were referencing.
I see your point (as it relates to the few subs that are here). I gather that he was talking about on a national base though. I tried to find ratings for any of the Voom programs but havent had any luck
What I think has happened is that Dish just signaled VOOM that they will air 5 channels, no more, and will drop those 5 if they do not change. Dish wants VOOM to consolodate down to 5 channels and make them worth carrying, or Dish will drop VOOM. Without Dish VOOM will fold since CVC is not going to spend the money just for their own subs.
Actually, technically speaking he is correct. Voom doesnt (or didnt) have the market penetration to reach as many subs as Sci-Fi did. There werent enough companies that carrried them, whereas nearly every mom and pop cable company and national company carries Sci-Fi in one form or another.
Not sure exactly if that was the point he was making though.
They are a sample of E*s HD subscribers. Look not every channel is liked by subscribers. Take Food/Travel- I bet a lot of people could care less if E* dropped them. What is amazing is how some of you are amusing yourselves at our expense.
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Potentially, but there are still no numbers and he stated SciFiHD subs. If you include everyone that gets the channel versus who really watches it, how can that be accurate?
Voom's email=findoutmore@voomhd
However, you will be lucky to get any response, I was emailing them weekly for several months regarding their lack of closed captioning and never received any response.
Has there been a scientific study done to prove this?
I seriously doubt it. tomcrown1 did state that Dish conducted focus groups that asked about channels including the Voom channels.
I am not amused about anything. I enjoyed some of the Voom channels. However, they have become stale. I have not, and will not say that the channels should be removed. However, it is a business decision for Dish. Many more people watch ESPN and Disney than watched KungFu. Voom has not been spending as much effort on content as many mainstream channels. They could not survive on technical details alone.
I'm sorry, but you can't with a straight face use a poll on this forum as proof most E* subs will greatly miss Voom. Even if you count the lurkers here there is probably a difference in the high six figures, maybe even 1 million people.
Yea, I liked monsters at first. After seeing the same movie playing on there so often, it lost my interest.
Rush is another example of how out of touch voom really was. Freestyle MX is arguably the most popular "extreme" sport out there, yet all the Mx they have are the same 4-5 Mx Horse shows they played over and over.
If you want to leave because 1 channel, and end up spending more money on an inferior DVR it is your choice. If you think that D* is going to keep a certain channel that you watch instead of replacing it for a mainstream HD channel then you might as well just drop pay TV altogether or start investing in A LOT of stock.
At the end of the day I hope it is a Charlie ploy. I switched to the essential pack and I don't want him to move HD channels to make the ultimate package a marketable feature. Think about it, would they really expect you to pay an extra $10 for 3 channels? I think he is trying to get Voom to get off their butt and produce some new and timely programming. If they did, I would go back to the ultimate pack in a second.
I have both D and E and will be gone in a second when Voom goes. It's the only offering that was exclusive to Charlie. It's something D doesn't have.
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