Seems like you think they should just give you the OTA Tuner and provide the program info(which costs) for free.
Dish Locals Shutdown and DirectTV
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I know what he means, But lets turn that around on D* as well. Their numbers look much Higher then E*. But I'm not telling D* customers they are getting ripped Off because D* makes money. That Just dumb. I may not feel D* would be worth the money for what I want. But thats why I use my E* service for 95% of my TV service. I have a very limited D* service. I'd like to see a New TiVo in action, Before I take a step, But with the limited Programming I find with D*, I'm not so sure its that great of a step for my needs.
But for someone to drop into a Thread who hasn't a clue on E* service, and say they are ripping him off, Is nothing but nonsence.
What is the big deal about TiVO. I still OWN a TiVO and have used TiVO's much longer than my HR20 and I can easily say that the HR20 is many times better than TiVO in many aspects, from the features to the interface to the ease of use.
Possibly, but it sure would be a pain to sit around waiting on PSIP updates to schedule recordings.
I disagree also.
Plus does he have D*?,or is he representing local networks?.Alot of times when posters attack E* others normally assume they are a D* subscriber.
I myself have had both and both serve a purpose....a choice.
I like that Idea.
You can have must carry and be on free, or you can demand compensation.
But compensation allows the satellite/cable company to bring in adjacent DMA programming from the same source (network).
You can have must carry and be on free, or you can demand compensation.
But compensation allows the satellite/cable company to bring in adjacent DMA programming from the same source (network).
Good points.
Since OTA is free to anyone within signal reception, there should be no charge to Dish. Dish should get a nominal return for providing the equipment to allow their subs that are out of range or do not have an OTA antenna to receive this free programming. That return is currently $5 per subscriber.
Dish's service should actually provide higher advertising revenue to these locals because of higher viewership, hence increasing their profitability.
So why doesn't Charlie just continue to distribute these free OTA channels and fight them in court? That's his usual modus operanda...
What if they are 44%?
DISH: Competitors for DISH Network Corporation - Yahoo! Finance
Now; why in the world would anyone think I made that up? You just look silly when you do not do your homework.
Good News on Your Local TV Stations: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance
This states that the local network affiliates are looking for more money to make up for lower ratings and not being able to depend on the ad generating revenue like they did in the past. It states that there could be a freeze on negotiations while the digital transition is going on and that CBS could be the biggest battle on retransmission agreements as they do not have other diversities. It also states that the local network stations will be demanding more money and ...
"Comcast, Time Warner Cable , Cablevision , DirecTV and Dish Network are the losers, while CBS, Disney, GE, News Corporation, Sinclair, LIN and other local station owners, including Belo and Hearst-Argyle are the winners."
Look for your rates to go up as a result (even more than they already have).
This states that the local network affiliates are looking for more money to make up for lower ratings and not being able to depend on the ad generating revenue like they did in the past. It states that there could be a freeze on negotiations while the digital transition is going on and that CBS could be the biggest battle on retransmission agreements as they do not have other diversities. It also states that the local network stations will be demanding more money and ...
"Comcast, Time Warner Cable , Cablevision , DirecTV and Dish Network are the losers, while CBS, Disney, GE, News Corporation, Sinclair, LIN and other local station owners, including Belo and Hearst-Argyle are the winners."
Look for your rates to go up as a result (even more than they already have).
As is pointed out above, gross profit margin doesn;t account for a lot of Dish's (or others) costs, especially in DBS.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_profit_margin"]Gross margin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
I.E. it covers programming and maybe set top boxes. Not things like, you know, uplink centers and satellites and the like.
What's that got to do with anything? This discussion is about Dish and locals disputes.
No.
From your own link:
"[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_profit_margin"]Gross margin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]"
As proof, there is then the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_profit_margin"]Profit margin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame], which is after taxes. Notice it doesn't say anything about operating costs, because that's not how [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAAP"]Generally Accepted Accounting Principles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Question_book-new.svg" class="image"><img alt="Question book-new.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/9/99/Question_book-new.svg/50px-Question_book-new.svg.png[/ame] works.
I know that you don't want to believe that they are making 44% profit, but facts, are facts. Face it. I can't think of any other business that makes that kind of money, can you? The locals are barely making it, and are just trying to survive. In backing Dish in these disputes you are attempting to destroy competition, which will end up costing you far more in the long-run, you just don't know it.
Yes, and my God, can't you hear the words what are coming out of your mouth?
Yes it means D* is keeping far more profit then E*. By using your method ,D* customers are getting ripped off.
I have a GREAT idea for these networks!
WHY don't they make tv shows that aren't CRAP, where the writers or actors aren't always on strike, and that people want to watch? Also, showing 6 episodes or so, then going on hiatus for 1 year, ALSO kills their viewership! That way the ratings will go UP, and they can charge more for ads. Also, get rid of those stinking BUGS that cover 1/3 of the screen. Seems like a couple of simple fixes to me!
They want to charge Dish more, because of simple GREED, no other reason.
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Its got everything to do with it, D* is making over 49% from a much Higher Gross income. According to your math.
Net profit is For D* $1.5 Billion
E* is $861 Million
Last time I checked a Billion was more then a Million.
Um, the only goods Dish sells are programming and set top boxes. The don't sell uplink centers or satellites. Thus, they are not included in the gross profit margin.
Fixed cost are excluded. Fixed cost are defined as business expenses that are not dependent on the level of production or sales. Doesn't matter how much programming they sell, the cost of Dish satellites, uplinks, and many of their employees are the same.
For example, If I sold hot dogs for a $1 and they cost me $0.25 each. My Gross Profit Margin is (1-0.25)/1=75%. But I only sell 5 an hour and have to pay a guy $8/hour to sell them. Plus, I need a $10 cylinder of propane to fuel the cart every day. So in an 8 hour day, I sell 40 hot dogs for $40 revenue. But my costs were $0.25*40=$10 for the hot dogs, $8*8=$64 for the guy selling them, and $10 for fuel. So my total expenses were $84. $74 I pay if I sell 40 hot dogs of 4,000, that isn't in my gross profit margin. So even though my gross profit margin is 75%, I'm losing $44 dollars a day.
Read Dish's last quarterly earnings DISH Network Corporation :: DISH Network(R) Reports Third Quarter 2008 Financial Results
Revenue=$2.94B
Net Income (i.e. Profit)=$92M
$92M/$2.94B= ~ 3.1%. Nowhere near 44%
It seems like your the one that wants them to make 44% profit. That would justify your hated of Dish and Charlies tactics. But as as clearly proven, Dish does not make 44 cents on every dollar we give them. More like 3 or 4 pennies.
I was trying to remember (NYC people help me out here), we lost WWOR some years back for this kind of reason. Time Warner Cable yanked WPIX for a bit too.
All of this is nothing new. But it can be a PITA.
All of this is nothing new. But it can be a PITA.
