Any idea if it is possible to keep things recorded on the Hopper separate from what was recorded on the Joey so one user doesn't have to sift through another users recordings?
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The Joey has no separate tuner in it (it uses the Hopper's tuners) so anything recorded will show up on the hooper
The Hopper is the EVERYTHING of the system. Joey's are merely access points/stations. A remote control...with a remote control.
If I have two hoppers and 3 joeys I assume each joey can pick and choose which tuner or recording from what ever hopper I pick? Or does a joey have to be "tied" to a specific hopper to see its content?
Can a hopper see the recordings on another hopper?
What about an EHD? An EHD is attached to a hopper. Can the other hopper see the EHD?
If I have two hoppers and three joeys ... considering that a hopper can only "serve" 3 joeys, if a hopper was serving my 3 joeys (each joey was using a tuner or viewing a recording from the first hopper - does not matter), my second hopper could not be "served" by the first hopper (assuming I wanted to watch content on the first hopper) because a hopper can only provide service to a maximum of 3 "devices" (hopper or joey). Correct?
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So if the above is true ... if a hopper is busy serving its content to 3 devices (joeys or hoppers) ... if you throw a 5th TV into the mix (hopper or joey) and you want to see content on the first "busy" hopper you are pretty much SOL?
Can a hopper see the recordings on another hopper?
What about an EHD? An EHD is attached to a hopper. Can the other hopper see the EHD?
If I have two hoppers and three joeys ... considering that a hopper can only "serve" 3 joeys, if a hopper was serving my 3 joeys (each joey was using a tuner or viewing a recording from the first hopper - does not matter), my second hopper could not be "served" by the first hopper (assuming I wanted to watch content on the first hopper) because a hopper can only provide service to a maximum of 3 "devices" (hopper or joey). Correct?
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So if the above is true ... if a hopper is busy serving its content to 3 devices (joeys or hoppers) ... if you throw a 5th TV into the mix (hopper or joey) and you want to see content on the first "busy" hopper you are pretty much SOL?
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Since the Joey is a client device, other than MOCA for it's connection to Hopper, could one use a computer as a client? Would (could) Dish create a client app for Windows Media Center (and Apple Media Center equivalent) that would let a PC act as a Joey?
I'm liking that idea.
Miner
I'm liking that idea.
Miner
HIC Question:
I don't understand why this extra device is necessary in the system. Is it simply a Moca/Ethernet converter? If so, it certainly would be easy enough to build that functionality into the Hopper.
If the HIC is required for BB access, what is the Ethernet port(s) on the Hopper and Joey for?
It would be a much easier setup, if we could just attach the Hopper and Joeys to the Node/Switch, and the Hopper to the Router.
I don't understand why this extra device is necessary in the system. Is it simply a Moca/Ethernet converter? If so, it certainly would be easy enough to build that functionality into the Hopper.
If the HIC is required for BB access, what is the Ethernet port(s) on the Hopper and Joey for?
It would be a much easier setup, if we could just attach the Hopper and Joeys to the Node/Switch, and the Hopper to the Router.
the joey's and two hoppers can pick between the six tuners or the pre-existing recordings.
I believe the joey's see the hoppers as one seamless entity.... basically as a single whole home recording system. So, there's no difference to you as a viewer between the two hoppers in your system. Any difference or identification is all sorted internally within the programming of the hardware.
If you add the sling adapter, you should be able to watch on your computer. Maybe some 722 owners could chime in there as i don't have any experience with sling.
A lot we don't know yet.
If you have ethernet connected to the Hopper, it may act as a bridge - I've seen nothing either way on that.
We don't know if the HIC is required, it may just be an option for when it's easier to place a HIC unit in the vicinity of your router vs running cat5 from the router to wherever the Hopper is.
Scott has said the Joey ethernet port will not initially be enabled and Joeys must connect via Moca. We don't know yet whether that will be a hard line stance that Dish doesn't want to open it up to standard ethernet for security reasons, a hard line stance they don't want to support $10 walmart routers or just an initial stance so all "first gen" installs will be consistent and the rest may come later, or perhaps be enabled later but "not supported."
And for this reason I see the kids at war. Having to deal with tv2 on the 722 was enough. For a lot of people, independent boxes are important. That way no scheduled recording or remote slips mess with someone's television viewing.
The fee for the joey would have to be a lot less than a 211k, and even then, it may not be practical for a larger household.
It does look really cool though!
In the video, the first Ethernet port on the Hopper is clearly connected and active. So, that works. And, if so, I'd rather connect to my LAN using that or a wi-fi adapter than an additional device and cabling.
Personally, I find the limitation to Moca-only to be wasteful, especially if the HIC is also required. Imagine the time saved per installation, if the Hoppers and Joeys could connect to each other and the home network the same as ATT's latest U-verse boxes do, using any combination of Moca, Ethernet, and Wi-Fi? That would be the way to go.
My understanding was that the HIC is in use when you can't or won't reach an ethernet connection to your hopper, and as JM42 said, the Joey ethernet won't be enabled initially, so the HIC is being used until a Joey's ethernet is active and usable. I could be wrong. Probably.
Another thought just occurred to me. (I know. You thought you smelled something burning.)
If the coax is now carrying satellite and also data via Moca, will we be able to diplex OTA on the same coax? Or, will we now need to run a separate feed for the some-point-in-the-future USB OTA tuner?
If the coax is now carrying satellite and also data via Moca, will we be able to diplex OTA on the same coax? Or, will we now need to run a separate feed for the some-point-in-the-future USB OTA tuner?
Sounds like we many need favorite lists on the Joey's just like we have our favorite lists of channels. Not a bad idea. Perhaps they could hide certain events as well or have a login of some sort done by the system / master (Hopper) and not the slave (Joey).
The way I see it:
The Joey is simply a thin client, no tuner, no hard drive, it depends on the Hopper AND the node for its utility.
The Hopper is a media server.
All the data passes through the node, both incoming to the Hopper and outgoing to the Joey's. For 2 Hopper installs there is a node with two Hopper connections and 6 Joey connections??. For the single Hopper install the node has one Hopper connector and three Joey ports.
The Hopper has three satellite tuners, one of which is capable of recording an entire stream from a TP or spotbeam for PTAT.
The Joey is simply a thin client, no tuner, no hard drive, it depends on the Hopper AND the node for its utility.
The Hopper is a media server.
All the data passes through the node, both incoming to the Hopper and outgoing to the Joey's. For 2 Hopper installs there is a node with two Hopper connections and 6 Joey connections??. For the single Hopper install the node has one Hopper connector and three Joey ports.
The Hopper has three satellite tuners, one of which is capable of recording an entire stream from a TP or spotbeam for PTAT.
I don't think it will ever be the standard install, but I my gut says we may end up with the capability. ATT has the advantage of known hardware and access into the router with Uverse. I can see Dish being hesitant to get user supplied components at the heart of the setup.
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With houses built today with a home run in the garage or elsewhere, just locate the node in the home run box, run one cable from the dish, put the Hopper in the living room and put Joeys at the other TVs, connect one cable at each location, hook up the ethernet and you're done after booting and downloads, etc.
This is what I'm expecting here (ON-Q Box, 3 tv's, DPP44 in the ON-Q Box).
I hope to have 2 Hoppers and a Joey. We'll see. Waiting (Impatiently).......
The following was sent to retailers on the Hopper and Joey.
The Hopper and Joey make up DISH's new whole-home full-function HD DVR entertainment system, allowing customers to easily record, pause, and play back shows from any TV in the home. Hopper and three small Joeys let viewers watch HD and control DVR in up to four rooms. Hopper features three satellite TV tuners that can record up to 6 HD channels at once!
Here are three key features which make Hopper special:
• Two Terabyte Hard Drive
o More than 250 HD DVR recording hours – most in pay-TV industry. o Overall, 2 Terabytes offers a video library of over 2000 hours.
• PrimeTime AnytimeTM – With one click customers can record all primetime TV programming from ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX every day using just one tuner.
o Once activated, PrimeTime Anytime records local network programming in
high definition (where available) every night, and stores them for eight days after they've aired.
o This allows the Hopper to record up to six TV shows at once (two live programs and four PrimeTime Anytime shows) while allowing viewers to watch up to four different recorded or on-demand shows in four rooms of the house simultaneously.
o The Hopper only uses one tuner to record the four channels, reducing conflicts!
- Records from 7 to 10 p.m. MT (8 to 11 p.m. ET) Monday through Saturday and 6 to 10 p.m. MT (7 to 11 p.m. ET) Sunday.
- The general rule is: if 50% of the event falls within the recording window, it will be tagged and recorded.
- Sporting events have a 60 minute add-on at the end in case your game goes long.
o PrimeTime Anytime recordings do not take up customer-allocated DVR space.
• Whole-Home Full-Function HD DVR Service
o Full HD DVR functionality on every TV, so you can pause, rewind, and record live TV.
o Record a movie in one room and watch it in another!
o Start a show in one room and finish it in another!
o And the DVR playlist is available on ALL TVs connected to the whole-home HD DVR network.
The Hopper and Joey make up DISH's new whole-home full-function HD DVR entertainment system, allowing customers to easily record, pause, and play back shows from any TV in the home. Hopper and three small Joeys let viewers watch HD and control DVR in up to four rooms. Hopper features three satellite TV tuners that can record up to 6 HD channels at once!
Here are three key features which make Hopper special:
• Two Terabyte Hard Drive
o More than 250 HD DVR recording hours – most in pay-TV industry. o Overall, 2 Terabytes offers a video library of over 2000 hours.
• PrimeTime AnytimeTM – With one click customers can record all primetime TV programming from ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX every day using just one tuner.
o Once activated, PrimeTime Anytime records local network programming in
high definition (where available) every night, and stores them for eight days after they've aired.
o This allows the Hopper to record up to six TV shows at once (two live programs and four PrimeTime Anytime shows) while allowing viewers to watch up to four different recorded or on-demand shows in four rooms of the house simultaneously.
o The Hopper only uses one tuner to record the four channels, reducing conflicts!
- Records from 7 to 10 p.m. MT (8 to 11 p.m. ET) Monday through Saturday and 6 to 10 p.m. MT (7 to 11 p.m. ET) Sunday.
- The general rule is: if 50% of the event falls within the recording window, it will be tagged and recorded.
- Sporting events have a 60 minute add-on at the end in case your game goes long.
o PrimeTime Anytime recordings do not take up customer-allocated DVR space.
• Whole-Home Full-Function HD DVR Service
o Full HD DVR functionality on every TV, so you can pause, rewind, and record live TV.
o Record a movie in one room and watch it in another!
o Start a show in one room and finish it in another!
o And the DVR playlist is available on ALL TVs connected to the whole-home HD DVR network.
The Sling Adapter is sluggish and a kluge. Having a "plug in" app within Windows Media Center (like Netflix or Internet TV does) makes a fairly seamless marriage of TV and computer. Since the joey is a thin client, it would be fairly overkill from a hardware persepective, but could make for a nice mix. Hopper and Joey is kinda like what the sling extender was supposed to do for the Sling Adapter, but since it died, we need to use a computer with a browser of Dish's choice.
Miner
I wouldn't really call Joey a thin client. It is a fully featured computer and runs all the code locally, the only difference is the data stream is coming from the hopper vs a local drive. A PC is not really overkill with respect to hardware.
That being said, Dish could write a "Hopper Client" to run on PC/GTV/Boxee/etc. I think we will eventually see such a beast as an answer to Direc's RVU, but likely as part of the next generation hopper, nothing I would make any plans on.
