I'm going to say one last thing and stop posting on the subject I just feel they should really try to get this one right and give us everything we want. Throw everything including the kitchen sink into this one. Most of us on here are probably early adopters of technology and expect the best that money can buy, and have the satellite bills to reflect this I know I do. I want the very best, I feel I deserve it for staying with them for so long. I just want what I pay for nothing more nothing less and have come to expect this from dish network they have always given me great service and quality boxes as well as great customer service.