Yes about Revolver (August 5). Don't know what year they are presently in. Watched the first season and quit. Having worked in an ad agency, it's mad cow soap opera!
DISH Drops AMC Networks (AMC Back on DISH channel 131)
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I love Mad Men! What a great show. So glad I spend a fortune
on tv. ill catch it on direc or Uverse if dish plays any games.
Too bad I can't have the best Dvr, great movie channels and all my sports
on one system. Maybe one day?
on tv. ill catch it on direc or Uverse if dish plays any games.
Too bad I can't have the best Dvr, great movie channels and all my sports
on one system. Maybe one day?
Does anyone really watch G4, though? Not to minimize it too much, I'm sure every channel has some fans, but it's not like losing the channel that shows the Yankees in New York or whatever.
That's true.
But someone has to make a stand and normally it's been DISH,if not now,when?.
That's why I support DISH and I have no plans to go elsewhere,it's only TV.
Okay, but here's the thing. As a customer, if I have to deal with the hassle of losing my favorite channels, I expect to somehow be compensated for that- move other channels down a few tiers, lower my bill, etc.. If Dish isn't going to do any of that, then why wouldn't I pay a similar price to get extra channels from someone else?
Anyhow, the AMC thing isn't really ever on my radar, to be honest. It's not a channel I watch. But I do watch my local regional sports networks- if either of them went, one of the main reasons I have television in the first place would be gone. Other sports channels like ESPN are really important. And NBC Sports Channel being in a higher tier than it is on other providers is really rough for me as a hockey fan-- either I have to do without and miss exclusive regular season and playoff games my favorite team is playing, or pay extra and face a budget crunch (Which I finally gave in and did- hence the other thread where I mention the channel moving positions, I'm watching a game right now, only typing because it's between periods and I'm waiting for the action to start up again- but it's tough, and I'll be dropping down a tier or two sometime within the next month).
If they could toss NBCSC and MSNBC in AT120+, I'd be overjoyed, and go to that tier and probably stick with Dish when my contract is up, because no one could beat them on price for the channels I want. Even just dropping NBCSC to AT200 (Which has MSNBC) would help a lot- that would net me all the basic sports and news channels at a price I'd struggle to pay, but could probably manage. But if not, when my contract expires, it'll be tough to say no to a cheap promotional rate that would also save me money on Internet from cable, which carries both those channels in it's normal tier. Only thing that might keep me from cable at that point if Dish doesn't change it's packaging somehow would be if cable continues to fail to add an RSN alternate that carries some of my favorite team's games.
It sounds like trying to save a buck is in your best interest,for that I would recommend for you to change providers every 2 years(there are alot who do this,I did it once) you get alot of channels at a cheaper price so the savings is all in your corner.Good Luck!
Plus you would only have to put up with DISH every 2 years!
It sounds like trying to save a buck is in your best interest,for that I would recommend for you to change providers every 2 years(there are alot who do this,I did it once) you get alot of channels at a cheaper price so the savings is all in your corner.Good Luck!
Plus you would only have to put up with DISH every 2 years!
Probably what I'm going to do.
I've got to admit, I kind of like sticking with what I've got. Was with cable for years and years, but the prices got too high and they wouldn't give me a loyalty bonus or anything, even though 60% of their customers had some sort of a promotional rate by their own admission in the newspapers. So I said screw it, but a few weeks later I couldn't take not having anything, so I hopped over to Dish. Next up, maybe Directv (Though I hear they want $300 upfront if I fail a credit check- and they're not getting $300 upfront from me, so there may be a phone call where I try to sign up, they say I fail a check, and I say "Guess I'm stuck with Charlie"). Or maybe back to cable (If they'd just add that RSN alternate already- which I'm not sure Direct has in their lower packages in my area either, but Dish does).
It would make life a lot simpler if someone would just give us what we want at an everyday affordable price, though, wouldn't it?
I mean, when I had to go crawling back to cable for Internet (6 months after leaving), it would up taking several weeks to sign up, an Internet series of forms, an Internet chat, a couple visits to their physical office, a few phones calls, a visit to my apartment, a missed appointment from them, and an article in the Consumerist from me about them not wanting to take my money and making me jump through a zillion hoops. I finally was like "Screw this, I'd rather access the Internet through that horrible Virgin Mobile service I'd been using". But they made me an offer I couldn't refuse (Not in a mafia sort of way, in a really cheap price sort of way). No one else can deliver their speed and reliability in my area- nothing even semi a little bit close. It's like dealing with a monopoly provider, because everything else reminds me of AOL circa 1996- there is really no other modern reliable Internet where I am. So when the regular price kicks in, I guess I just have to pay it- or downgrade to their economy Internet, or get tv bundling to make it cheaper for a while. Not super eager to see what the cable company has in store for me this time if I try to sign up for tv again after the Internet debacle, but...
Not a monopoly with tv, though. With tv I have options that I can switch between. It's just that everyone always makes switching such a hassle, and there's always some catch with every provider- something that's missing that should be there channel wise, credit checks that make you pay upfront and not have HD, that kind of thing.
As much as I complain about Dish, in a way I'd love to stick with them and not have to deal with flipflopping around. But I don't want SD forever, I don't want a new commitment with them knowing that they'll probably drop some of the channels that make tv worthwhile for me, and I want NBCSC and MSNBC in a package I can afford regularly.
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I could have sworn there were references to 1965 stuff. Maybe I'm thinking of the previous season. I should have realized it was 1966 from all of the references to the "nurses in Chicago".
But, if it is the latter half of 1966, why did the cologne client want an ad that imitated "A Hard Day's Night", a movie released two years prior in the summer of 1964? That's probably what through me off in this episode.
This does not make me a happy girl.
I like AMC. I don't like 100% of their programming but that applies to ALL channels. I subscribe to the AT250 so I can pick and choose what I like and ignore what I don't like.
Losing AMC will take away several shows I like and then what? I'm sure not going to subscribe to Direct or TWC cable. I don't like Direct's choices and lousy HD selection and TWC quality is HORRIBLE.
What would they replace it with? Some cr*ppy channel that runs more red neck reality shows?
Update: I just read this, "The programmer said the No. 2 DBS provider has expressed its intent to drop AMC, Sundance Channel, IFC and WeTV from its lineup by the end of June, following an April 26 "
Dish will make alternative high-value channels available to our customers as replacements."
BULLCR*P.......... They'll replace them with GARBAGE..........
Now THAT p
:es me off!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I like AMC. I don't like 100% of their programming but that applies to ALL channels. I subscribe to the AT250 so I can pick and choose what I like and ignore what I don't like.
Losing AMC will take away several shows I like and then what? I'm sure not going to subscribe to Direct or TWC cable. I don't like Direct's choices and lousy HD selection and TWC quality is HORRIBLE.
What would they replace it with? Some cr*ppy channel that runs more red neck reality shows?
Update: I just read this, "The programmer said the No. 2 DBS provider has expressed its intent to drop AMC, Sundance Channel, IFC and WeTV from its lineup by the end of June, following an April 26 "
Dish will make alternative high-value channels available to our customers as replacements."
BULLCR*P.......... They'll replace them with GARBAGE..........
Now THAT p
:es me off!!!!!!!!!!!! .
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This does not make me a happy girl.
I like AMC. I don't like 100% of their programming but that applies to ALL channels. I subscribe to the AT250 so I can pick and choose what I like and ignore what I don't like.
Losing AMC will take away several shows I like and then what? I'm sure not going to subscribe to Direct or TWC cable. I don't like Direct's choices and lousy HD selection and TWC quality is HORRIBLE.
What would they replace it with? Some cr*ppy channel that runs more red neck reality shows?
Update: I just read this, "The programmer said the No. 2 DBS provider has expressed its intent to drop AMC, Sundance Channel, IFC and WeTV from its lineup by the end of June, following an April 26 "
Dish will make alternative high-value channels available to our customers as replacements."
BULLCR*P.......... They'll replace them with GARBAGE..........
Now THAT p
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http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-forum/283954-if-dish-drops-amc-will-you-8.html#post2860901
In other words, Dish execs have resigned themselves to getting their arses handed to them in court. In order to partially offset some of their 1B+ losses, and to further piss in VOOMs wheaties, they are going to drop all the AMC channels and replace them with crap channels costing them pennies on the dollar. The sad part is that Dish customers will wind up paying for VOOM (and now the lack of AMC) just because Dish signed a bad contract, violated contract law, and was later sanctioned by the court after destroying evidence. Also, should Dish lose their upcoming trial to VOOM (a very likely outcome), you can bet your sweet bippy that Cablevision will demonstrate to the court that the AMC channels were dropped by Dish in retaliation and should be considered by the court when awarding punitive damaged. This affair may wind up costing Dish a lot more than I first imaged. We shall see.
Everything you say could become true, except for one thing. And that would be punitive damages for dropping the AMC Network channels. No way would Dish be forced to pay damages for not continuing a contract. The channels were't dropped while there was still a valid contract. The contract expired and the channels are no longer carried.
In other words people don't renew your contracts for more equipment, etc. Like I usually do when I want to upgrade my system. Ride them out. I expire next summer. I won't try for anything new, including the Hopper, on the chance they try to force the two year commitment. That way should Dish be slammed and begin to pass to legal fees onto us, I can tell them them it's been real and go my separate way.
This is from a Wall Street Journal article from today but I think you need to be a paid subscriber to read it so I will cut and paste the key parts of it.
'Mad Men,' 'Walking Dead' Channel AMC Posts 45% Rise in Earnings - WSJ.com
Facing a threat of having its channels dropped by Dish Network Corp., AMC Networks Inc. Chief Executive Josh Sapan said online availability of AMC programs was helping ratings on the channel.
"New viewers are finding these shows on a digital service, catching up on prior seasons and then tuning into AMC for new seasons in greater numbers, many for the first time," Mr. Sapan said on a conference call with analysts Thursday.
Dish Chairman Charlie Ergen said on Monday that the availability of AMC's hit shows such as "Mad Men" and "Breaking Bad" on online video outlets had "devalued their programming content" and contributed to Dish's decision not to renew the channels.
Mr. Sapan's defense of AMC's programming decisions came as AMC reported 45% higher first-quarter earnings on higher advertising revenue at its namesake channel and the continuing popularity of AMC shows like "The Walking Dead."
AMC warned that its future financial performance could be affected if its channels were dropped by Dish, but it didn't specify by how much. Dish has more than 14 million subscribers.
Mr. Sapan said that AMC's networks remains "underpriced" in the market, though it reported an 8% increase in affiliate fees from distributors in the first quarter. Mr. Sapan said the pickup was "the beginning of an upward trend in more recent agreements" with distributors.
However, he continued to attribute Dish's decision to bad blood in a years-old lawsuit between the two companies. Dish is "trying to create leverage for itself" in the case, Mr. Sapan said. Dish has said that the lawsuit and its decision to drop AMC are two separate matters.
AMC Networks, which was spun off from Cablevision Systems Corp. last June, has reinvented itself in recent years with a slate of highly rated original-show successes, shedding its image as a sleepy broadcaster of independent movies and classic westerns. The transformation has come at a cost, however, as higher programming and marketing expenses to promote shows like "Mad Men" cut into its bottom line.
AMC Networks reported a profit of $43.2 million, or 60 cents a share, up from $29.8 million, or 43 cents, a year earlier. Revenue jumped 20% to $326.2 million as the namesake channel contributed to a 30% rise in advertising revenue.
'Mad Men,' 'Walking Dead' Channel AMC Posts 45% Rise in Earnings - WSJ.com
Facing a threat of having its channels dropped by Dish Network Corp., AMC Networks Inc. Chief Executive Josh Sapan said online availability of AMC programs was helping ratings on the channel.
"New viewers are finding these shows on a digital service, catching up on prior seasons and then tuning into AMC for new seasons in greater numbers, many for the first time," Mr. Sapan said on a conference call with analysts Thursday.
Dish Chairman Charlie Ergen said on Monday that the availability of AMC's hit shows such as "Mad Men" and "Breaking Bad" on online video outlets had "devalued their programming content" and contributed to Dish's decision not to renew the channels.
Mr. Sapan's defense of AMC's programming decisions came as AMC reported 45% higher first-quarter earnings on higher advertising revenue at its namesake channel and the continuing popularity of AMC shows like "The Walking Dead."
AMC warned that its future financial performance could be affected if its channels were dropped by Dish, but it didn't specify by how much. Dish has more than 14 million subscribers.
Mr. Sapan said that AMC's networks remains "underpriced" in the market, though it reported an 8% increase in affiliate fees from distributors in the first quarter. Mr. Sapan said the pickup was "the beginning of an upward trend in more recent agreements" with distributors.
However, he continued to attribute Dish's decision to bad blood in a years-old lawsuit between the two companies. Dish is "trying to create leverage for itself" in the case, Mr. Sapan said. Dish has said that the lawsuit and its decision to drop AMC are two separate matters.
AMC Networks, which was spun off from Cablevision Systems Corp. last June, has reinvented itself in recent years with a slate of highly rated original-show successes, shedding its image as a sleepy broadcaster of independent movies and classic westerns. The transformation has come at a cost, however, as higher programming and marketing expenses to promote shows like "Mad Men" cut into its bottom line.
AMC Networks reported a profit of $43.2 million, or 60 cents a share, up from $29.8 million, or 43 cents, a year earlier. Revenue jumped 20% to $326.2 million as the namesake channel contributed to a 30% rise in advertising revenue.
You have to remember the first court rulings on this indicated that Dish had a good case for dropping the VOOM channels. The court refused to grant an injunction even though it pointed out that by refusing to do so would probably result in the end of VOOM. Cablevision will not be able to ask for damages because of the AMC channels. Dish is not breaking any contract by dropping them. Dish has simply elected not to sign a new contract with AMC, something quite within their rights. Even if VOOM gets a win, it most likely will be a partial win for a limited amount of cash. This is not like TiVo where TiVo won everything over and over again and Dish kept appealing.
So, most likely Cablevision and Dish will come to some sort of settlement. The real question is if they will do it before then end of the current AMC contract. Most likely when AMC loses millions of dollars a month in fees and ad revenue, they will come around.
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I don't. In fact, I try not to think about G4, as it actually makes me angry that Comcast bought TechTV, and turned it into this steaming pile of crap.
riffjim4069 said:
The trial hasn't been held yet. Until it is and a decision is rendered, there's no determination of who violated the contract.
