DISH Drops AMC Networks (AMC Back on DISH channel 131)

They won't replace them with an equal quality channel..... You'll get another seldom watched fishing channel or something to that effect.....

There is no equal quality channel for me. Unless another channel is carrying The Walking Dead, Mad Men, and Breaking Bad it isn't equal to me because those are some of the few shows I watch outside of sports. The only channel that carries more original series that I watch is HBO and I already pay for that.

The Walking Dead's third season has been picked up for 16 episodes. If Dish doesn't pick it back up by then I will have to pay for them at $2.99 an episode from iTunes. That adds up to $48 just to watch 1 show. Mad Men will be over by then but I will also have to pay something similar for Breaking Bad. I also liked Hell on Wheels but I don't know if I would pay for that one.

The only way Dish can make this right in my mind if they take AMC off the air is to get it back before Breaking Bad and Walking Dead returns or pay for my iTunes purchases as someone joked earlier.
 
bobvick said:
I can assure you that they will not replace any of those channels with 5StarMax or HBO, if they did that Time Warner would pull all of the HBO/Cinemax channels from Dish so fast it would make their head spin. Not to mention the lawsuits that would ensue. I am not even sure that CBS would let them replace IFC with Flix since it is bundled with Showtime.

One can dream then...

During the Fox lockout besides the free sports channels for some of the RSNs lost,

HDNet Movies replaced FX temporarily during the lockout while HD Theater (now Velocity) replaced National Geographic Channel temporarily during the lockout.

Maybe HDNet Movies will be used to replace AMC.
 
Might I suggest dropping NBC Sports Channel to AT200 to help make up for this? Sure, they're completely different types of channels, but it is pisses a lot of people off to have NBCSC available only in AT250 and higher. They have so many exclusive hockey games including exclusive playoff and STANLEY CUP FINALS games. It's not a specialty channel. Those games used to be on ESPN. And NBCSC is making major moves now that they have the NBC branding to add more quality sports programming, so it's not just "The channel that somehow got NHL rights, but otherwise has nothing worthwhile". Plans are afoot to make it into a real competitor to ESPN. Something Dish might appreciate, you know, given how often it gets into pissing contests with ABC/Disney over ESPN...
 
HanoverPretzel said:
Might I suggest dropping NBC Sports Channel to AT200 to help make up for this? Sure, they're completely different types of channels, but it is pisses a lot of people off to have NBCSC available only in AT250 and higher. ...

NBC Sports is also available in Dish America Gold. I believe it is $59.99/month.
 
HanoverPretzel said:
Might I suggest dropping NBC Sports Channel to AT200 to help make up for this? Sure, they're completely different types of channels, but it is pisses a lot of people off to have NBCSC available only in AT250 and higher. They have so many exclusive hockey games including exclusive playoff and STANLEY CUP FINALS games. It's not a specialty channel. Those games used to be on ESPN. And NBCSC is making major moves now that they have the NBC branding to add more quality sports programming, so it's not just "The channel that somehow got NHL rights, but otherwise has nothing worthwhile". Plans are afoot to make it into a real competitor to ESPN. Something Dish might appreciate, you know, given how often it gets into pissing contests with ABC/Disney over ESPN...

This has nothing to do with sports programming. The substitution your suggesting is self serving and would not even begin to address the needs of individuals who regularly watch movies and programming on these channels.

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NBC Sports is also available in Dish America Gold. I believe it is $59.99/month.

Dish America Gold is grayed out in the "my account" section online, and at the bottom it says "package no longer sold". Also, it isn't clear to me that it includes the local regional sports networks and OTA channels. And it seems to definitely be missing ESPNU. That last part might not be a deal breaker, but no regional RSNs definitely is for a fan of local sports! The main reason I have television is watch my favorite teams in action.
 
This has nothing to do with sports programming. The substitution your suggesting is self serving and would not even begin to address the needs of individuals who regularly watch movies and programming on these channels.

I'm just saying it's a quality channel that should be in a lower tier to begin with. Now that Dish is saving money by not paying AMC, maybe they can move NBCSC down to where it belongs. Also, if they brought NBCSC down to AT200 or AT120, they could add a movie channel or whatever to AT250 to compensate. NBCSC really makes no sense on the AT250 tier, it's the only extra sports channel on there, and the tier is marketed to movie fans. AT200 is marketed to sports fans. See where I'm going with this? Sports fans have to pay for all the extra stuff they don't want in AT250 to literally get the one extra channel they need during the hockey playoffs at minimum (And really many need/want it to follow their favorite team almost year round [hockey season goes from October-June] on the NBCSC exclusive games) and then tier back down. And it's going to get "worse" in the years to come as NBCSC ramps out with more programming. They've already added some Bob Costas and NFL related programming and Indycar and MLS, and are very likely to make bids to get major sports properties like MLB and NBA games as they become available.
 
Then, as has been suggested here numerous times before, maybe you should find a provider that better fulfills your sports watching needs.

When my contract expires, I'll look into my options. Might be less to jump to cable and get a new customer promo and discount for bundling my Internet. They just are missing a local RSN sports alternate I need. If they add it, they'd be gold the second my contract expires. Directv might be another option. Have to see what promos everyone has and what their channels look like at the time the contract expires.

If Dish doesn't want sports fans' business, they should really just advertise "Our service sucks for sports fans, go somewhere else", or they could try competing better in that field. After all, it looks like they are going to be losing a lot of movie, Mad Men, and Walking Dead fans shortly when AMC disappears...
 
Dish America Gold is grayed out in the "my account" section online, and at the bottom it says "package no longer sold". Also, it isn't clear to me that it includes the local regional sports networks and OTA channels. And it seems to definitely be missing ESPNU. That last part might not be a deal breaker, but no regional RSNs definitely is for a fan of local sports! The main reason I have television is watch my favorite teams in action.

Those packages are still sold, you just need to pm a DIRT member or call dish. The RSN is included in Dish Silver and Dish Gold along with your locals, where available. ESPNU is not in HD so its not included.
 
Dish Chief Says Online 'Devalues' Content - 2012-05-07 18:30:11 | Multichannel News

Dish Chief Says Online 'Devalues' Content
Ergen Says Dish Dropping AMC Because of Low Ratings, Online Availability
Mike Farrell -- Multichannel News, 5/7/2012 2:30:11 PM

Dish Network chairman Charlie Ergen told analysts Monday the reasons behind his decision not to renew carriage deals with AMC Networks have more to do with low ratings, adding that making shows available online "devalues" content for distributors.
Dish said last week that it would not renew its carriage deal with AMC, the home of popular programming like Mad Men, The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad. The decision came almost simultaneously with a court move that denied Dish's appeal of a prior decision that said the satellite giant destroyed evidence in a separate litigation with Voom Networks, currently housed within AMC.
On a conference call with analysts Monday to discuss financial results, Ergen reiterated Dish's claim that the decision to drop the AMC Networks - which include AMC, IFC, Sundance and WeTV - was made because outside of a few shows, the networks are not popular with Dish's primarily rural viewership. And Ergen said that Dish subscribers that want to see those shows can do it through other avenues, including iTunes and Amazon.com.
"One of the things that programmers have done is they've devalued their programming content by making it available in multiple outlets," Ergen said on the conference call. "Our customers are not really saying ‘we want to pay more money,' they're saying ‘we want more flexibility in our programming and we don't want to pay more.' From a timing perspective that is just a contract that we can change. We believe the product has been devalued, not that there are not some good programs, but it's been devalued because you can get it multiple ways and customers have more flexibility to get the programming. It's not quite the same as if something were exclusive."
The Dish chairman added that the increasing availability of shows through other platforms will eventually bring the issue of programming value to a head.
"All MVPD companies are going to have to look at this, we're not going to be the last ones to take a look at these kind of issues," Ergen said. "Typically most customers have four providers to choose from who all vie for the same thing. There is probably going to be some break out of one of more companies offering something a lit bit different at more different prices so customers have more of a choice. That may be disruptive long term, but maybe an opportunity to gain market share long term."
AMC has claimed that The Walking Dead is the No. 1 scripted drama with Dish subscribers.
"It is unfortunate that, because of setbacks in an unrelated litigation, Dish even suggests that they might deny their customers access to some of their favorite networks and shows that are offered by every other major satellite and cable TV provider," AMC said in a statement last week.
Ergen said that obviously the AMC Networks programming is valuable at a certain price point, but that "that's not where we are today."

I think the last line says it all.
 
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Dish Chief Says Online 'Devalues' Content - 2012-05-07 18:30:11 | Multichannel News





Ergen said that obviously the AMC Networks programming is valuable at a certain price point, but that "that's not where we are today."


The same thing could be said about newspapers (in terms of being in print and online). However, people still subscribe to the print version although the online version can be accessed right when news happens. Just because they can read the news online does not mean that they have quit subscribing to the paper. I know a little bit different.

It would be like dropping all channels because they have some sort of online content.
 
osu1991 said:
Dish Chief Says Online 'Devalues' Content - 2012-05-07 18:30:11 | Multichannel News

Dish Chief Says Online 'Devalues' Content
Ergen Says Dish Dropping AMC Because of Low Ratings, Online Availability
Mike Farrell -- Multichannel News, 5/7/2012 2:30:11 PM

Dish Network chairman Charlie Ergen told analysts Monday the reasons behind his decision not to renew carriage deals with AMC Networks have more to do with low ratings, adding that making shows available online "devalues" content for distributors.
Dish said last week that it would not renew its carriage deal with AMC, the home of popular programming like Mad Men, The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad. The decision came almost simultaneously with a court move that denied Dish's appeal of a prior decision that said the satellite giant destroyed evidence in a separate litigation with Voom Networks, currently housed within AMC.
On a conference call with analysts Monday to discuss financial results, Ergen reiterated Dish's claim that the decision to drop the AMC Networks - which include AMC, IFC, Sundance and WeTV - was made because outside of a few shows, the networks are not popular with Dish's primarily rural viewership. And Ergen said that Dish subscribers that want to see those shows can do it through other avenues, including iTunes and Amazon.com.
"One of the things that programmers have done is they've devalued their programming content by making it available in multiple outlets," Ergen said on the conference call. "Our customers are not really saying ‘we want to pay more money,' they're saying ‘we want more flexibility in our programming and we don't want to pay more.' From a timing perspective that is just a contract that we can change. We believe the product has been devalued, not that there are not some good programs, but it's been devalued because you can get it multiple ways and customers have more flexibility to get the programming. It's not quite the same as if something were exclusive."
The Dish chairman added that the increasing availability of shows through other platforms will eventually bring the issue of programming value to a head.
"All MVPD companies are going to have to look at this, we're not going to be the last ones to take a look at these kind of issues," Ergen said. "Typically most customers have four providers to choose from who all vie for the same thing. There is probably going to be some break out of one of more companies offering something a lit bit different at more different prices so customers have more of a choice. That may be disruptive long term, but maybe an opportunity to gain market share long term."
AMC has claimed that The Walking Dead is the No. 1 scripted drama with Dish subscribers.
"It is unfortunate that, because of setbacks in an unrelated litigation, Dish even suggests that they might deny their customers access to some of their favorite networks and shows that are offered by every other major satellite and cable TV provider," AMC said in a statement last week.
Ergen said that obviously the AMC Networks programming is valuable at a certain price point, but that "that's not where we are today."

I think the last line says it all.

Why stop with AMC? This big 4 networks all offer their content online and through other outlets. Hell just about every scripted show from every channel is available through other outlets. The only point he is making is that people should consider cutting the cord because the stuff you want is available other ways if you want to pay for it so why do you need Dish?

I don't want to get my content by paying for it per episode. That's why I pay for tv service. His reasoning makes no sense when almost everything is available online these days. I guess he wants more customers to realize this and realize they don't need dish.

I seriously can not believe that the head of a tv provider is suggesting that we should look to other services for our tv shows.
 

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