DISH Drops AMC Networks (AMC Back on DISH channel 131)

Tampa8 said:
So wait, what's all this "I'm cutting the chord because TV is so expensive?" posters post. Your saying it isn't free, and isn't easy to watch programs?
That point is made for others who keep saying internet viewing is the way to go. To the point however, you CAN get programs for almost free, $8 in today's world isn't anything to pay keeping in mind it isn't just AMC you would be getting. No one said you could see current episodes, and certainly you and I don't want to wait a year I agree. And you CAN see current episodes for $3.00. Now you wouldn't want to pay that for every program out there, but your not, it's only a show or two you watch on AMC, as that is the dispute. So theoretically you could lower your Dish package if AMC channels was the reason you had a higher package.

For different reasons, but Direct TV isn't enamored with other ways to watch programming. They have not allowed HBO GO, they may now I do not know. It's kind of hard to swallow increasing demands for programming costs, then see people talk about how you can watch in other ways for potentially less. While I can see that becoming more of an issue, again, I'm not fully believing that is the real issue here.

Those people that cut the cord typically still subscribe to several services and substitute price for ease of use and convenience. Sure I can always find something to watch on Netflix but that doesn't work when you're looking for something specific.

I will not be cutting the cord any time soon because I don't want the hassle. I just want my pay tv provider to keep providing me with the channels I signed up for.
 
I'm just happy to see Dish involved in a non-sports related programming dispute, involving channels I have no interest in. Well, I'm not happy per say, I do feel bad for those of you who enjoy the channels that are likely to be lost and who are locked into contracts with Dish or can't switch for other reasons, but it's nice to know that the Dish people aren't just out to get us sports fans and pad their profit margins at the expense of carrying the channels our favorite teams sometimes play on.

Granted, I do like Mad Men, but I don't watch it on AMC anyhow. I wait till the season is over and the DVD sets come out, and rent them through Netflix. More convenient viewing experience that way for me. I don't even know what channel AMC is or if I have it in my package.

I can't Netflix a football, baseball, or hockey game, though. They've got to be live, and the channels have to be carried by my television provider for me to watch them.
 
I am tired of all these disputes. Why do I have to rely on Dish to negotiate for me? Why cannot I subscribe to the channels I want via the internet (or even on Dish) and decide if what the company wants is worth it to me? I have a feeling more and more will come around to this line of thinking as the monthly bills spiral higher and higher.
I really hate to say any kind words that might give solas to the bottom feeders on the top floor at Dish but...

Broadcast media is in the middle of a major paradigm change. And this is actually a case where the much over used phrases "new paradigm" or "paradigm change" actually apply.

Video content is becoming available from dozens and dozens of different sources. So you would think the providers would be in the catbird seat because if someone like Dish doesn't want to pony up for AMC several other outlets will. Right?

But the outlets are also awash in a multitude of content providers so if AMC won't negotiate on price, ABCnet, XYZnet sportnet, gardening net, etc, etc, etc... certainly will and Dish will still be able to claim 250 plus channels without "over priced" AMC.

Now at the moment there isn't any clearly defined group of power players (with the possible exception of Time Warner, Comcast, CNN, MTV and ESPN). And even whatever muscle they have in the market can evaporate no time at all.

Then there are the "niche" channels like Lifetime, Spike, BBCA, NetGeo, etc. Great channels to a few but not the great unwashed masses. So to survive these folk get bought up by major players like Disney and NBC Universal who can guarantee that, for a while anyway, they will get enough money to continue making content.

Now Disney, NBC Uni, etc, in order to make their investments in all these niche channels payoff declare they will only negotiate "all or nothing" deals with second tier players like Dish and Cox Cable. And to have survived this long the Disneys and such have at least a couple of "must have" channels so they are not easy to refuse.

Can you see where this is going?

NOBODY is going to allow a massive ala carte market to exist. The niche channels would cost a comparative "arm and a leg" since their audience is so small. And when a customer made a list of the channels they wanted, especially in a household with Nickolodeon kids, MTV teens, an OWN and Lifetime network mom and a Spike and ESPN dad they would be enraged at the price and so go to a provider that had a bargain priced package with "almost" everything they wanted and 50 more but at a lower price.

Now a single guy or childless single woman might well expect a great deal for the mere 5 or 6 channels they watch. But the provider would go broke with these customers because their bill wouldn't be enough to cover the 5 channels, overhead and still make a profit. So "5 channel he-she" would get hit with a minimum fee and then they too would be POed and go with somebody who offered the 5 channels and 115 more "for only a few dollars more."

What to do? No answers in sight and government moving to stay out of the way of free enterprise, as it should.

Ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."
 
I have been watching The Rifleman series every Saturday on AMC. Wife also likes a couple of shows on WE. Going to be sad if we loose these channels.
 
NOBODY is going to allow a massive ala carte market to exist. The niche channels would cost a comparative "arm and a leg" since their audience is so small. And when a customer made a list of the channels they wanted, especially in a household with Nickolodeon kids, MTV teens, an OWN and Lifetime network mom and a Spike and ESPN dad they would be enraged at the price and so go to a provider that had a bargain priced package with "almost" everything they wanted and 50 more but at a lower price.

HBO (not to mention SHO/MAX/Starz) is a pure a la carte package that manages to snag enough customers to make money. They have a lot of really good original series. More than most other cable networks.

Niche channels would go away in a la carte, but the best original programming would be picked up by other networks that are forced to fill their channels with enough programming to attract buyers. People here are complaining about losing AMC, but really only name 2-3 series of original programming (Mad Men and The Walking Dead being the primary mentions). So why do we have a group of channels with really only 30-40 original hours of original programming a year? I am not talking about showing TV produced in other countries or movies that are on their 100th rerun, but programming developed by AMC?

The "value" of getting everything is that they take 10 channels worth of programming (if they were like CBS/NBC/ABC/FOX with 18 hours a week) and spread it over 100 channels with 1-2 hours a week and the rest is just reruns. With the new fangled DVR gadget one can catch the one time showing of an episode and do not need to worry about 6x repeats a week.

Here is an example Viacom's SpongeBob Crisis - WSJ.com

Yes it is a subscription article but here is the interesting part:

After 13 years on the air, the cartoon about a talking sponge is losing its hold on children. The average number of viewers aged 2 to 11 watching Spongebob at any given time dropped 29% in the first quarter from a year earlier, according to Nielsen.

And because "Spongebob" is the backbone of Nickelodeon—accounting for as much as 40% of the network's airtime late last year—it is dragging down the whole network. Nickelodeon's ratings fell 25% in the quarter, after a more-modest fall-off in the second half of last year.

That is right - a channel that reruns a single show for 40% of its total airtime!

Of course the infomercial industry would really suffer too...
 
charlesrshell said:
I have been watching The Rifleman series every Saturday on AMC. Wife also likes a couple of shows on WE. Going to be sad if we loose these channels.

I notice The Rifleman on AMC. Do y'all watch Encore Westerns? They also play some classic western shows. Encore Westerns is in AT 250 or a la carte in the $5 Encore Movie Pack.

Members of my family watch The Golden Girls weeknights and the marathon on Monday nights. They play on Hallmark early morning and late night.
 
I notice The Rifleman on AMC. Do y'all watch Encore Westerns? They also play some classic western shows. Encore Westerns is in AT 250 or a la carte in the $5 Encore Movie Pack.

Members of my family watch The Golden Girls weeknights and the marathon on Monday nights. They play on Hallmark early morning and late night.



The Rifleman is also on MeTV Saturdays&weekdays OTA which I now have the programming guide information showing up in my DISH OTA guide.Thank You DISH!;):D
 
The Rifleman is also on MeTV Saturdays&weekdays OTA which I now have the programming guide information showing up in my DISH OTA guide.Thank You DISH!;):D
Yeah, ah, I think there is something on your nose.;)



Sorry. It was just too easy and daddy always told me to never pass up a great straight line.;)
 
HBO (not to mention SHO/MAX/Starz) is a pure a la carte package that manages to snag enough customers to make money. They have a lot of really good original series. More than most other cable networks.

I see some merit to that argument, but I don't see them, especially HBO and Showtime to be the same as TNT, AMC, etc.. etc... Their not part of a package because of the cost. And the cost is high because they run very recent movies, and have first class, expensive original programming, and some live sports. They really do need to be A La Carte. But should AMC or any one of the many channels have compelling programming they might pull off charging more and be A La Carte. But even the premium movie field is crowded. Starz and Cinemax in particular are not must have channels for most.
 
I really hate to say any kind words that might give solas to the bottom feeders on the top floor at Dish but...

Broadcast media is in the middle of a major paradigm change. And this is actually a case where the much over used phrases "new paradigm" or "paradigm change" actually apply. ..........

Good post!
 
Won't miss these channels in the least. Now, what would be the "high value" replacement channels. Perhaps the same complainers may have their wish of channel additions come true.

Someone losing a channel they watch is not a complainer. It's people like you with with their holier-than-thou attitudes that are the problem.

You don't watch. Keep your mouth shut.
 
Someone losing a channel they watch is not a complainer. It's people like you with with their holier-than-thou attitudes that are the problem.

You don't watch. Keep your mouth shut.

I don't think he meant it that way, at least I'm not taking it like that. It's the glass half full. May lose AMC, but might gain channels you really would like, or perhaps channels from a higher package will trickle down. To someone who wants the AMC channels no matter what, this won't help, for many it might actually work out. When Dish dropped the Weather Channel I actually liked the replacement better, wish they still had it. Just to be clear, the best scenario is probably that they don't lose the AMC channels, but stranger things have happened than finding out the end result isn't bad.
 
I don't think he meant it that way, at least I'm not taking it like that. It's the glass half full. May lose AMC, but might gain channels you really would like, or perhaps channels from a higher package will trickle down. To someone who wants the AMC channels no matter what, this won't help, for many it might actually work out. When Dish dropped the Weather Channel I actually liked the replacement better, wish they still had it. Just to be clear, the best scenario is probably that they don't lose the AMC channels, but stranger things have happened than finding out the end result isn't bad.

Maybe at the confrence call tomorrow we will hear what the plans are when they drop amc?
 
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I'm thinking it's too soon? Although if this is meant mostly to let AMC know they really mean business, I guess they could announce their plans...
 
Which America's Top [whatever] packages currently contain AMC? What are some similar channels in higher packages or that Dish doesn't currently offer at all could be possibilities to replace it?
 
HBO (not to mention SHO/MAX/Starz) is a pure a la carte package that manages to snag enough customers to make money. They have a lot of really good original series. More than most other cable networks..
Right and they get 12 bucks a month. Since I can name at least 25 channels I watch what would by bill look like?

Niche channels would go away in a la carte
That's the kind of statement that could pull this Chamber of Commerce Republican right into the progressive left fringe of the Democratic party so we (the government and me) can require 75 percent of all cable channels be niche and not appeal to more than 9 percent of the population. (Can you say PBS X 74?)

If the air is just filled with the most popular TV all you would see is porn, sports and jewelry shopping channels. That isn't a free market. It's mob rule.

Other than that I really do agree with a lot of what you point out.

Honest.
 
Which America's Top [whatever] packages currently contain AMC? What are some similar channels in higher packages or that Dish doesn't currently offer at all could be possibilities to replace it?
Welcome Package, AT200, AT250, AEP all contain AMC. Sure Dish could trickle down a channel or two to replace AMC, IFC and WE in the AT200. But then they'd be screwing AT250 and AEP customers a bit. Dish would have to get something new to appease those customers. But then again, would they?
 

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