DIRECTV unlikely to keep NFL Sunday Ticket

[Juan]

He wasn't asking you.

Don't really care

 

[Bruce]

Don't really care

Then why respond?

 

[Juan]

Then why respond?

1st amendment rights

 

[SamCdbs]

But you posted this-

Apples to apples comparison would be DirecTV with ST and YTTV with ST, right now it is $250, cheaper then DirecTV, yes it is going up in two months which is why I did the preorder

But, but, but, YTTV is LINEAR TV. You have spent years telling all of us that we are fools and you are the future. Just watch Pluto and Netflix and whatever old VHS tapes you can find at Goodwill and SAVE, SAVE, SAVE!!!!!!!

So you want and bought the LINEAR TV. Welcome back to the majority, the VAST majority that still want and watch LINEAR TV. Where the good stuff is.

 

[Bruce]

But, but, but, YTTV is LINEAR TV. You have spent years telling all of us that we are fools and you are the future. Just watch Pluto and Netflix and whatever old VHS tapes you can find at Goodwill and SAVE, SAVE, SAVE!!!!!!!

So you want and bought the LINEAR TV. Welcome back to the majority, the VAST majority that still want and watch LINEAR TV. Where the good stuff is.

Once again, if I did not get it with Google Play Cards that I purchase with my CC points, I would not subscribe to it.

How about you, pre-order ST yet for the discount?

I did, pulled $250 from my Gift Card balance, so cost to me, zero.

 

[SamCdbs]

Yeah, gift cards don't cost anything. The credit card companies just give them out out of the goodness of their hearts. They don't include the costs of perks in what you pay. Right.

But, hey, you could have bought a blender, or a bike, or 15 cases of Pepsi with your gift cards. You, however, choose to buy LINEAR TV. Where the good stuff is. Welcome home.

 

[Bruce]

Yeah, gift cards don't cost anything. The credit card companies just give them out out of the goodness of their hearts. They don't include the costs of perks in what you pay. Right.

Some people choose Airline miles, I choose points, gift cards are actually the least expensive options on the site, for example a $250 digital Google Play Card is 140,000 points, while a $300 Nintendo Switch is 440,000 points.

But, hey, you could have bought a blender, or a bike, or 15 cases of Pepsi with your gift cards.

Dude what is your problem with me, just because I try to save money when possible, you treat it like it is some kind of threat to how you live your life.

This is why I am somewhat careful with money, grew up extremely poor, raised by a violent alcoholic mother in a really bad trailer park, the type to where the TV show Cops could have a entire season of material if they filmed there for a week.

So I made a pledge to never live that way or put my kids thru that, so Army, College, Jobs, Wife, Kids, starting at 18 while serving to put money away, because of being careful, never rented, bought my first house at 21, and continued to put, on average, $300 a month into our investment account, because of that, was able to retire at 52 and buy our dream home in Florida with no mortgage.

You, however, choose to buy LINEAR TV. Where the good stuff is. Welcome home.

Actually I get other gift cards where better good stuff is, Hulu ( w Disney, ESPN+), Netflix, Paramount, Vudu.


The only things I watch on Live TV is news and business channels, for example I watched Young Sheldon this morning on Paramount+, if my gift card thing was not available any more, paid Live TV would be the first thing to go.

 

[slice1900]

Some people choose Airline miles, I choose points, gift cards are actually the least expensive options on the site, for example a $250 digital Google Play Card is 140,000 points, while a $300 Nintendo Switch is 440,000 points.

So you just choose whatever gives you the best value, whether you want it or not? If they had $300 hair extensions for 100,000 points that's what you're getting because it is an even better deal than YTTV?

 

[Bruce]

So you just choose whatever gives you the best value, whether you want it or not? If they had $300 hair extensions for 100,000 points that's what you're getting because it is an even better deal than YTTV?

Again, I only use the points for gift cards, with that I get YTTV, NFLST, Hulu, Disney+, ESPN+, Paramount+, Showtime and Vudu for new movies.

The only thing I pay cash for is HBO ( dropping when my year is up) and Peacock ( keeping because of Big Ten Football), so my total TV Content is less then $20 a month.

So yes, they give me the best value, definitely do not need Hair Extensions, at 56 years old, still have a full head of hair.

 

[Jimbo]

And Nothing ever changes ....

People continue to complain and argue one way or the other ....
Mostly about petty stuff.

I don't post nearly as much as I use to .... I look thru the threads to see whats up ...

Way to much, one person is right, no they are not, yes I am ....

Sheeesh, will it ever end ...

 

[Jimbo]

Again, I only use the points for gift cards, with that I get YTTV, NFLST, Hulu, Disney+, ESPN+, Paramount+, Showtime and Vudu for new movies.

The only thing I pay cash for is HBO ( dropping when my year is up) and Peacock ( keeping because of Big Ten Football), so my total TV Content is less then $20 a month.

So yes, they give me the best value, definitely do not need Hair Extensions, at 56 years old, still have a full head of hair.

Bruce,
I'm just asking ...

How much do these Credit Cards cost to get these Gift Cards you use ?

Are there yearly Fees for the right to use them and how much money do you end up spending on each to have enough points to get the Cards you want ?

 

[Bruce]

Bruce,
I'm just asking ...
How much do these Credit Cards cost to get these Gift Cards you use ?

zero and paid off every month.

Are there yearly Fees for the right to use them

no, I would never have a CC that made me pay to use it.

and how much money do you end up spending on each to have enough points to get the Cards you want ?

Every month is different, but I use them for everything, Groceries, Pet stuff, electric bill, Health Insurance, fun stuff, any thing I might need.

But this month, both my Home Owners and Car Insurance 6 month bill came due, that is roughly $3500, so enough for more gift cards.

 

[Jimbo]

zero and paid off every month.

no, I would never have a CC that made me pay to use it.

Every month is different, but I use them for everything, Groceries, Pet stuff, electric bill, Health Insurance, fun stuff, any thing I might need.

But this month, both my Home Owners and Car Insurance 6 month bill came due, that is roughly $3500, so enough for $350 in gift cards.

I understand you pay it off each month, I wasn't referring to Finance charges ...

You said, no yearly fee, thats good ... I too would never pay to use a CC.
But you have to put so much on them to get a substantial amount of points.

I have looked into points like that on one of my other cards (I only have 2 CC's) but it takes like a bazzilion points to get something that might cost $50 in a store.

At least thats been my experience ...

My cards don't allow me to get/give points towards Streaming services ...

I must not be using the right cards, but I'm also not going to jump around CC's just to do it either (not saying you are,) but some work that way.


I may have it figured out though, I typically will use my Costco Cash Rewards towards my Flight for the year (allows me to move up to 1st class in most cases) but I don't think I'm doing my normal trip this year, so I may take That money and apply it to the ST !!!!

 

[Yespage]

And Nothing ever changes ....

People continue to complain and argue one way or the other ....
Mostly about petty stuff.

You started it!

I don't post nearly as much as I use to .... I look thru the threads to see whats up ...

Way to much, one person is right, no they are not, yes I am ....

Sheeesh, will it ever end ...

Directv no longer has the rights and this thread is still going on, so I think the answer is 'no'. Even after Comcast gets the rights in 2042, this thread will still be chugging.

 

[SamCdbs]

Dude what is your problem with me, just because I try to save money when possible, you treat it like it is some kind of threat to how you live your life.

"Dude", I have no problem with you at all. You are on a TV enthusiasts' website, telling everyone that the decisions YOU make are for everyone. You post, multiple times per week, spin items about streaming, coming to conclusions that no professional follower of media has. Linear TV was dying, people were dopes for still having it (the vast majority of people, BTW). Then big bad DirecTV moved on from ST and, now, linear TV is great. So, I was a dope for having it last month, but now its OK, because YOU decided that, for everyone.

It is the equivalent of getting on a foodie website and interrupting every conversation with how much you save by eating cheese sandwiches every day. OK. Nice. Not the point of the discussion.

Chill.

 

[Jimbo]

You started it!

Directv no longer has the rights and this thread is still going on, so I think the answer is 'no'. Even after Comcast gets the rights in 2042, this thread will still be chugging.

Remember, this thread Started ... D* will Keep ST.

 

[Bruce]

I understand you pay it off each month, I wasn't referring to Finance charges ...

You said, no yearly fee, thats good ... I too would never pay to use a CC.
But you have to put so much on them to get a substantial amount of points.

I just looked it up, I get 5 points every dollar, so, example, my $3500 bills gets me 17,500 points, which is enough for a $50 gift card.

I have looked into points like that on one of my other cards (I only have 2 CC's) but it takes like a bazzilion points to get something that might cost $50 in a store.

Merchandise is more then Gift Cards, like I wrote before, a $300 Nintendo Switch is a tad over 400,000 points, while a $250 digital Google Play card is only a tad over 100,000 points.

At least thats been my experience ...

My cards don't allow me to get/give points towards Streaming services ...

neither do mine, just the gift cards for them.

I must not be using the right cards, but I'm also not going to jump around CC's just to do it either (not saying you are,) but some work that way.

I only have two also, do not really need more since my Visa and Amazon card have big limits.

I may have it figured out though, I typically will use my Costco Cash Rewards towards my Flight for the year (allows me to move up to 1st class in most cases) but I don't think I'm doing my normal trip this year, so I may take That money and apply it to the ST !!!!

I am amazed you can’t order it yet, thought everyone could, but it looks to be just YTTV subs.

 

[Bruce]

"Dude", I have no problem with you at all. You are on a TV enthusiasts' website, telling everyone that the decisions YOU make are for everyone. You post, multiple times per week, spin items about streaming, coming to conclusions that no professional follower of media has.

And I have been correct, shall I remind you of all the things you have wrote in this thread that has been wrong, one of which you wrote that DirecTV was going to make a deal with whoever got the contract so they will continue to offer ST.

I wrote back no way that would happen.

Guess what, I was correct, then you wrote that DirecTV would get the rights for those who’s internet access sucks, nope, then you said DirecTV would at least get the Commercial Rights, I wrote back then that was doubtful because DirecTV is in major penny pincher mode because of wanting to sell or merge.

Also correct, now the commercial part of it can be carried by anyone.

Linear TV was dying, people were dopes for still having it (the vast majority of people, BTW). Then big bad DirecTV moved on from ST and, now, linear TV is great.

No, I still do not think it is worth it, if I did not get if for free, I would drop it, I would not even spend $10 in cash a month for it.

 

[Juan]

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Each YouTube TV subscription comes with 5 additional accounts. All shared accounts must be from the same household or family living together, as determined by electronic check-ins every 30-90 days. Subscribers may not share their recordings with anyone, even if they are sharing a subscription. All YouTube TV accounts will be limited to 3 concurrent streams. A YouTube TV subscription comes with access for 6 different Google accounts but a given subscriber may only register 10 devices in a given calendar month to an account, and no more than 30 devices to an account in a given calendar year. When the device limitation is reached, additional devices may not be added.

6. Prohibitions
The YouTube TV logo and other trademarks, graphics, logos, scripts, and sounds are trademarks of Google and/or its content partners. None of the trademarks or content displayed through YouTube TV may be used by a subscriber, copied, downloaded, or otherwise exploited. YouTube TV will monitor and protect content on the service from piracy, unauthorized access, distribution, or use. Subscribers do not gain any sponsorship, affiliation or association with the content, networks, programs or any content producer through their use of the YouTube TV service. Content partners are the exclusive owner of the programming service and content distributed on YouTube TV, even when a copy of the content is stored by a subscriber. Subscribers do not obtain any proprietary rights in a programming service or content by using the service.

7. Privacy & Security
In YouTube TV, as with all Google products and services, the Google privacy policy controls the use, collection and sharing of data. YouTube TV may share aggregated data with its content partners.

YouTube TV will use Google’s proprietary location detection services to determine location. The location of your device will be used to (i) determine which content you are permitted to access and (ii) provide access to that content. YouTube TV may also use other means such as the location of the device at sign up and the location of the billing address or payment instrument to verify location and content accessibility. YouTube TV will be improving technology to determine a subscriber’s location, and streams accessed from within the home may have different concurrent stream limitations. YouTube TV reserves the right to monitor and report to content partners on usage patterns including inactivity, in accordance with the Google Privacy Policy.

Because YouTube TV may be accessible from various permitted devices (i.e., mobile, desktop) or various third party sites (i.e. content partners’ sites), the personal information collected may differ depending on the access point. Be sure to check the privacy policy of each underlying site where you access YouTube TV to understand the data being collected and shared. Additionally a subscriber's account may be linked to other accounts owned by subscriber to facilitate a personalized experience on an applicable access point. If a subscriber watches content on a different access point than YouTube TV, the subscriber may be placed within that interface until such time as the subscriber switches back to YouTube TV.

YouTube TV may actively recommend content, market and promote the YouTube TV service and related services to users through algorithmically driven, personalized recommendations tools to deliver optimized personalized results. YouTube TV may also collect results and metrics related to the personalized content delivery and/or the marketing campaign(s) for distribution to our partners, within the scope of the Google privacy policy. YouTube TV will not change or otherwise interfere, or authorize, facilitate or enable the change of or other interference with the subscriber's channel selection or equipment that is tuned for viewing or recording, unless specifically authorized by the subscriber. YouTube TV may supply security and content protection updates, including security patches, from time to time; such security enhancements must be promptly downloaded, installed, or otherwise implemented by the subscriber upon notification of their availability.

8. Measurement
Our content licensors, as well as our advertisers, seek to measure the performance of their creative material across many platforms, including YouTube TV. YouTube TV may feature Nielsen proprietary measurement software, which will enable subscribers to contribute to market research, such as Nielsen TV Ratings. Accordingly, YouTube TV may permit the use of third-party measurement software that enables third parties (such as Nielsen) to include subscriber viewing on YouTube TV in calculating measurement statistics such as TV Ratings. To learn more about the information that Nielsen software may collect, please see the Nielsen Digital Measurement Privacy Policy at Digital measurement privacy statement. That policy includes information about subscriber choices with regard to Nielsen measurement software on YouTube TV. For choices with regard to Nielsen measurement software on the YouTube TV mobile application, please visit "About Nielsen Measurement" in the mobile application’s settings.

Additional Terms for YouTube Primetime Channels
1. Your Acceptance
Each subscription for a YouTube Primetime Channel (each a "Primetime Channel") is offered as an independent subscription separate from any other Primetime Channel(s) and content purchases or subscriptions you may have, including without limitation, your YouTube TV subscription, YouTube Premium subscription and any YouTube TV add-on content you may have elected. When subscribed to, each Primetime Channel is considered a separate content subscription subject to the above Paid Service terms and these additional Primetime Channel terms (these "Primetime Channel Terms"). YouTube enables access to certain premium features or content that may not be available to you on a Primetime Channel.

By purchasing a subscription to a Primetime Channel, you agree to the Paid Service terms above as well as these Primetime Channel Terms. If any part of these Primetime Channel Terms conflict with any part of the above Paid Service Terms, the terms and conditions of these Primetime Channel Terms will apply to your Primetime Channel subscription.

2. Entitlement
Your Primetime Channel subscriptions are separate from your YouTube TV subscription, however certain Primetime Channel content may be viewed on YouTube TV. When Primetime Channel content is viewed through YouTube TV, the Additional Terms for YouTube TV, and not these Primetime Channel Terms, will apply. For information on how to view Primetime Channel content on YouTube TV, please visit our Help Center.

3. Content
YouTube is not responsible for the content provided by Primetime Channels. You must be at least 18 years of age to subscribe to a Primetime Channel and it is your responsibility to ensure proper viewership of Primetime Channel content.

Content availability on each Primetime Channel is subject to YouTube’s Community Guidelines. Therefore, because of this or other legal or policy reasons, you may not be able to watch all of the content that would otherwise be available from a Primetime Channel content partner on YouTube and in some cases, this content may only be available from the content partner directly.

YouTube is not liable to you for Primetime Channel content that is not available through YouTube. However, if a Primetime Channel's content becomes unavailable on YouTube, you may request a partial refund for the unavailable/affected content.

Some Primetime Channel content may not be downloaded. Some Primetime Channel content may not be authorized, and therefore not available, for particular geographic or metropolitan areas, time zones, or particular devices. In addition, some programming, especially certain sports programming, may be subject to local or regional blackout and substitute programming may be shown instead. Google’s content partners have discretion over the programming they include in each of their Primetime Channels and may modify programs, program elements, promotional or other materials at any time. Primetime Channel content availability may also differ by time zone.

YouTube will monitor usage and protect content on the service from piracy, unauthorized access, distribution, or use through content protection systems and related software applications designed to withstand circumvention. Any reported or suspected circumvention may result in termination of your subscription and/or account.

Closed captioning, video description information, and other data will be provided as required by law or regulation. Program signaling, secondary audio, watermarks, and non-essential data may be included in Primetime Channel content at the content partner’s discretion. YouTube will not remove any essential data from Primetime Channel content and will work to ensure that the audio and video quality meets minimum thresholds.

Access to Primetime Channel content may be suspended in whole or in part for any reason including legal or regulatory reasons, such as an order or injunction from any court, administrative body, or regulatory authority, or due to material unauthorized access or use of content.

Live playback of content within a Primetime Channel is solely for your personal, non-commercial use and not for group viewing. Your programming and advertising viewership may be measured during live playback in the same manner as for linear distribution of the programs.

Use of the live playback functionality can only be undertaken to the extent permissible under copyright and other applicable laws.

Each of your subscriptions for a Primetime Channel is separate from any other Primetime Channel subscriptions you may have and may be canceled independently from any other Primetime Channel subscriptions. Primetime Channels subscribed to as part of a bundle of Primetime Channels may only be canceled by canceling the bundle of Primetime Channels in its entirety.

4. Accessing Content
You may access each Primetime Channel on a limited number of devices at the same time. When the device limitation is reached, you may not access a Primetime Channel on additional devices.

5. Payment
The date on which your subscription for each Primetime Channel auto renews will be based upon the date you first purchased a subscription to the Primetime Channel.

6. Ads
The ad experience for each Primetime Channel's content may be different from what you see on YouTube, YouTube TV and other Primetime Channels. This includes, but isn't limited to, the frequency of ads or length of ad breaks. YouTube Premium members may still see ads on Primetime Channels.

7. Prohibitions
The YouTube logo and other trademarks, graphics, logos, scripts, and sounds are trademarks of Google and/or its Primetime Channel content partners. You may not use, copy, download or otherwise exploit any of these Google and/or Primetime Channel content partners' trademarks or materials displayed through YouTube. You do not gain any sponsorship, affiliation or association with any Primetime Channel content, networks, programs or any Primetime Channel content producer through your use of the YouTube Primetime Channel service. Primetime Channel content partners are the exclusive owner of the Primetime Channel programming and content distributed on their Primetime Channel, even when a copy of the content is stored by you. You do not obtain any proprietary rights in any Primetime Channel or its programming or content by using the YouTube Primetime Channel service.

8. Privacy & Security
With YouTube Primetime Channels, as with all YouTube products and services, the Google privacy policy controls the use, collection and sharing of data. YouTube may share aggregated data with its content partners.

YouTube will use Google’s proprietary location detection services to determine location. Your location will be used to (i) determine which Primetime Channel content you are permitted to access and (ii) provide access to that Primetime Channel content. YouTube may also use other means to verify location and Primetime Channel content accessibility. YouTube reserves the right to monitor and report to Primetime Channel content partners on usage patterns, including inactivity, in accordance with the Google Privacy Policy.

Because Primetime Channels may be accessible from various permitted devices (i.e., mobile, desktop) or various third party sites (i.e. content partners’ sites), the personal information collected may differ depending on the access point. Be sure to check the privacy policy of each underlying site where you access YouTube to understand the data being collected and shared. Additionally, your account may be linked to other of your accounts to facilitate a personalized experience on an applicable access point. If you watch content on a different access point than YouTube, you may be placed within that interface until such time you switch back to YouTube.

YouTube may actively recommend content, market and promote the Primetime Channel service and related services to users through algorithmically driven, personalized recommendations tools to deliver optimized personalized results. YouTube may also collect results and metrics related to the personalized content delivery and/or the marketing campaign(s) for distribution to our partners, within the scope of the Google privacy policy. YouTube will not change or otherwise interfere, or authorize, facilitate or enable the change of or other interference with your Primetime Channel selection unless specifically authorized by you. YouTube may supply security and content protection updates, including security patches, from time to time; such security enhancements must be promptly downloaded, installed, or otherwise implemented by you upon notification of their availability.

9. Measurement
Our Primetime Channel content partners, as well as our advertisers, seek to measure the performance of their Primetime Channel content across many platforms, including YouTube Primetime Channel service. YouTube Primetime Channels may feature Nielsen proprietary measurement software, which will enable you to contribute to market research, such as Nielsen TV Ratings. Accordingly, YouTube may permit the use of third-party measurement software that enables third parties (such as Nielsen) to include your viewing on YouTube Primetime Channel in calculating measurement statistics such as TV Ratings. To learn more about the information that Nielsen software may collect, please see the Nielsen Digital Measurement Privacy Policy at Digital measurement privacy statement. That policy includes information about your choices with regard to Nielsen measurement software on YouTube. For choices with regard to Nielsen measurement software on the YouTube mobile application, please visit our Help Center.

Additional Terms for NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube
1. Introduction
These Additional Terms for NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube (“ST Terms”) govern your use of and access to NFL Sunday Ticket as made available via YouTube and/or YouTubeTV in exchange for one-time or recurring fees (the “ST Services”). Please read these ST Terms carefully. They require the use of binding individual arbitration to resolve disputes rather than jury trials or class actions. Your purchase of an NFL Sunday Ticket subscription and any use of the ST Services are subject to: these ST Terms; these Paid Service Terms of Service; the YouTube Terms of Service; the Paid Service Usage Rules; and the YouTube Community Guidelines. We’ll refer to these documents together as the “Terms”. Please note: you may access and use the ST Services, for your personal, non-commercial, residential use only, and as long as you comply with these Terms and the law.

2. Your Acceptance
You must be at least 18 years of age to purchase a subscription to NFL Sunday Ticket. By purchasing a subscription to NFL Sunday Ticket, you agree to these ST Terms as well as the Paid Service Terms of Service above and the YouTube Terms of Service. If there is a conflict between any part of these ST Terms, the YouTube Terms of Service and/or the Paid Service Terms of Service above, the terms of these ST Terms will take precedence and apply to your NFL Sunday Ticket subscription and your use of the ST Services. Please read the Terms carefully and make sure you understand them. If you do not understand the Terms, or do not accept any part of them, please do not purchase an NFL Sunday Ticket subscription or use the ST Services. By accessing and/or using the ST Services, you agree to accept the provisions set forth in the Terms.

3. Content Availability
Some ST Services content may not be authorized, and therefore may not be available, for particular geographic or metropolitan areas, time zones, or particular devices (including, but not limited to, wireless phones, pagers, smart phones and personal digital assistants). In addition, some programming may be subject to local or regional blackout in which case such programming will not be available to you. The NFL has discretion over the programming that is included in the ST Services and may modify programs, program elements, promotional or other materials at any time.

4. Accessing the ST Services
You may purchase an NFL Sunday Ticket subscription as an add-on to your YouTube TV Base Package or directly on YouTube through Primetime Channels. You may purchase NFL Sunday Ticket as a recurring subscription or a one-time purchase. Recurring subscriptions will be identified at the point of purchase. After you purchase an NFL Sunday Ticket subscription, you will be entitled to access the ST Services on both YouTube TV and Primetime Channels. When you access the ST Services on YouTube TV, the Additional Terms for YouTube TV will apply. When you access the ST Services on Primetime Channels, the Additional Terms for Primetime Channels will apply.

4.1 YouTube TV and Primetime Channels Sunday Ticket Offer Terms
Please review the YouTubeTV and Primetime Channels Sunday Ticket Offer Terms for the additional terms and conditions that apply to NFL Sunday Ticket offers and your purchase of applicable NFL Sunday Ticket subscription(s).

4.2 NFL Sunday Ticket Subscription Purchased on YouTube TV
If you purchase a NFL Sunday Ticket subscription on YouTube TV, you must maintain your YouTube TV Base Plan to access the ST Services. If you cancel or pause your YouTube TV Base Plan, you will lose access to the ST Services. If you restart your YouTube TV Base Plan, you will regain access to the ST Services.

4.3 NFL Sunday Ticket Subscription Purchased on Primetime Channels
If you purchase an NFL Sunday Ticket subscription directly on YouTube through Primetime Channels, you are not required to maintain a YouTube TV Base Plan to access the ST Services.

You may also use your NFL Sunday Ticket subscription credentials to access the ST Services through the NFL’s owned and operated websites and apps, and where otherwise made accessible by the NFL through its owned and operated platforms (together, the “NFL Websites and Apps”). Your use of the ST Services on the NFL Website and Apps is subject to the NFL Websites and Apps terms of service and privacy policy.

5. Use of the ST Services
The ST Services, and content available within the ST Services, are only available in the fifty (50) United States and the District of Columbia. You agree that you will not present any false, inaccurate or misleading information in an effort to misrepresent your country of residence, and you will not attempt to circumvent any restrictions on access to or availability of the ST Services or content available within the ST Services. We will use Google’s proprietary location detection services to determine location and will block access to the ST Services based on our good faith determination that you are located outside of the permitted geographic locations.

6. Refunds
Payments for NFL Sunday Ticket subscriptions are non-refundable, in whole and/or in part. Once your payment method has been charged for a season, you will not be able to get a refund for that season. NFL Sunday Ticket subscriptions purchased through the Apple store require authorization from Apple and are subject to their refund policies. Please contact Apple support for any questions about their policies.

7. Cancellation and Termination
NFL Sunday Ticket subscriptions cannot be canceled. If you purchase a NFL Sunday Ticket subscription that automatically renews, once your payment method has been charged for a season, you will not be able to cancel your membership for that season. You may cancel the renewal any time before the next season. You will retain access to the ST Service from the time you cancel the renewal until the end of the current season. You will not receive a refund or credit for any remaining days in the current season. The cancellation for a renewal will take effect at the end of the current season.

8. Changes
8.1 Changes to the ST Services
We’re constantly developing new features and ways to improve the ST Services and we may modify the ST Services as set out in the YouTube Terms of Service. Changes to a Paid Service will not affect your ability to request a refund as described above. As described herein, NFL Sunday Ticket subscriptions cannot be canceled and payments for NFL Sunday Ticket subscriptions are non-refundable, in whole and/or in part.

8.2 Changes to Pricing
Prices for ST Services may change from time to time, for example, to reflect inflation, changes in pricing from our licensors, changes for promotional offerings, changes to the ST Services or changing business needs. Google does not provide price protection or refunds in the event of a price reduction or promotional offering. Any changes to pricing for Paid Services with recurring payments will only apply following reasonable notice to you. If we notify you of a price change for your purchase of a NFL Sunday Ticket subscription that automatically renews, you may cancel the renewal any time before the next season. You will not be able to cancel your membership for the current season.

8.3 Changes to the ST Terms
Google may change these ST Terms, for example, (1) to reflect changes to the ST Services or how we do business, e.g., when we add new features or remove old ones, (2) for legal, regulatory, safety or security reasons, or (3) to prevent abuse or harm. If we materially change the ST Terms, we’ll provide you with reasonable advance notice (except when we launch a new feature or in urgent situations, such as preventing ongoing abuse or responding to legal requirements). The new ST Terms will be effective after such notice period. Your continued use of the ST Services following such notice period will indicate your acceptance of the new ST Terms. The new terms will apply to your use of all ST Services (including content you have subscribed to in the past). If you do not agree to such changes then please discontinue your use of the ST Services and/or your NFL Sunday Ticket subscription. As described herein, NFL Sunday Ticket subscriptions cannot be canceled and payments for NFL Sunday Ticket subscriptions are non-refundable, in whole and/or in part.

9. Dispute Resolution Agreement and Class Action Waiver
9.1 Generally
It’s in both of our interests to resolve disputes in the quickest and most cost-effective way. If any dispute arises that relates to these ST Terms or your use of or access to the ST Services (regardless of the type of dispute, but subject to a few exceptions below), you and Google agree to resolve it through binding arbitration. Arbitration is less formal than a lawsuit in court and uses a neutral arbitrator instead of a judge or jury, but arbitrators can award the same damages and remedies that a court can award. The terms set forth in this Section 9 of these ST Terms (the “Arbitration Terms”) are subject to and governed by the Federal Arbitration Act (“FAA”) and are intended to be broadly interpreted.

They include, for example:

any disputes regarding these ST Terms;
any disputes regarding your NFL Sunday Ticket subscription;
any disputes regarding the performance, features, or functionality of the ST Services;
any disputes regarding your use of and/or access to the ST Services;
any disputes regarding changes to the ST Services;
and the Arbitration Terms apply:

whether your dispute is with Google, its subsidiaries, affiliates or parent company, or any suppliers or service providers involved with the ST Services, and their officers, directors, employees, agents and successors; and
regardless of the legal theory on which you base your claim (such as breach of warranty, breach of contract, negligence, etc.).
For disputes or claims relating to the ST Services, the Arbitration Terms supersede any terms regarding dispute resolution in any other agreement between you and Google and contain the whole agreement between us with respect to disputes or claims relating to the ST Services.

9.2 Exceptions
However, you and Google: (i) may still bring an individual action in small claims court; (ii) may still pursue an enforcement action through a federal, state, or local agency if that action is available; and (iii) must file suit in court to address an intellectual property rights infringement claim (as set forth in Section 9.9 below). Also, nothing in the Arbitration Terms bars either of us from bringing issues to the attention of federal, state, or local agencies.

9.3 Rules
The American Arbitration Association (“AAA”) will administer the arbitration and will do so according to its Consumer Arbitration Rules (the “AAA Rules”). You can see the AAA Rules and filing forms online at www.adr.org.

9.4 Process
Here are the steps you and Google agree to follow:

Send a written notice of the dispute to the other party by certified U.S. Mail or by Federal Express (or international equivalent) or, only if the other party hasn’t provided a current physical address, then by electronic mail. Google’s address for notice is:
Google LLC
Legal Department – NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube
c/o Corporation Service Company
2710 Gateway Oaks Drive, Suite 150N
Sacramento, CA 95833

The notice has to include, if available: (a) the name of the person making the claim, (b) the email address associated with the ST Services subscription, as applicable, (c) a description of the nature and basis of the claim, (d) the result that is desired (e.g., an amount of money), and (e) the case number(s) assigned by Google to track previous attempts to resolve the dispute, if existing.
We each agree to try to resolve the claim, but if we can’t do that within 60 days after the notice is received, you or Google may initiate an arbitration proceeding by following the AAA Rules. Unless the parties agree otherwise, your demand for arbitration must be sent to Google’s address for notice and entitled “Demand for Arbitration.” Google will send demands for arbitration to you at the e-mail address provided in the notice of the dispute.
During the arbitration, the amount of any settlement offer made by you or Google may not be disclosed to the arbitrator until after the arbitrator makes a final decision and award (if any).
If you win in the arbitration and are awarded an amount that exceeds the last written settlement amount offered by Google before the arbitrator was appointed, Google will pay you: (i) the amount awarded by the arbitrator and (ii) your reasonable attorney’s fees incurred during the arbitration proceedings.
9.5 Fees and Hearing Location
If you are the one who commences arbitration, Google will reimburse you for your payment of the filing fee, unless your claim is for more than $10,000, in which case the AAA Rules will determine who pays that fee. Unless the parties agree otherwise, any arbitration hearing will take place (at your option) in Santa Clara County or the county (or parish) of your current address. However, if the claim is for $10,000 or less, you may decide whether you want the arbitration to be conducted instead: (a) only on the basis of documents or (b) through a telephone hearing. If the arbitrator decides that either the substance of your claim or the remedy you asked for is frivolous or brought for an improper purpose, then we’ll use the AAA Rules to determine whether you or Google is responsible for the filing, administrative and arbitrator fees.

9.6 No Class Actions
By agreeing to arbitration, to the fullest extent legally permissible, we each may bring claims relating to these ST Terms and/or the ST Services only in our individual capacities and not in a class action. Also, to the fullest extent legally permissible, the arbitrator can’t consolidate claims into a class proceeding either. The arbitrator may award injunctive relief only in favor of you, the individual party seeking relief, and only to the extent necessary to provide relief that is warranted by your individual claim, and not any remedy that affects other Google customers or users. However, if a court decides that applicable law precludes enforcement of any of this section’s limitations as to a particular claim for relief or remedy (such as declaratory or injunctive relief), then that claim or remedy (and only that claim or remedy) must be severed from the arbitration and must be brought in the state or federal courts located in Santa Clara County, California, while the remaining claims and remedies (such as individual damages or restitution) will still be resolved through binding arbitration.

9.7 Enforceability
All issues in the dispute are for the arbitrator to decide, except that only a court may decide issues relating to the scope and enforceability of the Arbitration Terms, whether a dispute can be arbitrated, or the interpretation of the Arbitration Terms. Except as provided in Section 9.6, if any provision of the Arbitration Terms is found unenforceable, that provision will be severed and the balance of these ST Terms will remain in full force and effect. If for some reason the entirety of the Arbitration Terms are found to be unenforceable, then they won’t apply, and you and Google agree to resolve disputes in the state or federal courts as set forth in Section 9.9. Judgment on an arbitration award may be entered by any court having jurisdiction.

9.8 Confidentiality
The arbitrator shall honor all evidentiary privileges recognized at law, and shall enter orders as appropriate in order to protect the parties’ trade secrets or confidential information. The parties agree to maintain either party’s trade secrets or proprietary business information as confidential and to protect the confidentiality of any other information (such as private customer information) that is legally protected from disclosure. However, we may each disclose these matters, in confidence, to our respective accountants, auditors, and insurance providers.

9.9 Governing Law and Judicial Forum for Non-Arbitrable Disputes
These Arbitration Terms are governed by the FAA and (only to the extent not inconsistent with the substantive and procedural provisions of the FAA), the laws of the State of California, without regard to conflicts of laws principles. The arbitrator will not be bound by rulings in other arbitrations involving Google to which you are not a party. Other than claims that must be resolved through binding arbitration (or that may be brought in small claims court), any disputes relating to your Google Device (e.g. an intellectual property rights infringement claim under Section 9.2(iii), or if the entirety of these Arbitration Terms is found to be unenforceable by a court under Section 9.7 will be litigated exclusively in the federal or state courts of Santa Clara County, California; the parties consent to personal and exclusive jurisdiction in these courts.

 

[SamCdbs]

And I have been correct,

No, you have not. Most of your thrice or more weekly "linear TV is dying, it won't exist in 4 years" won't be proven wrong for, umm, four years. However, every market expert from every broker disagrees, My money, literally, is on them. I shall enjoy it.

Following markets involves learning. First basic things like how Nielsen works and how many people actually follow particular things. And then learning how big and diverse the world is. YOUR tastes are not everyone's.

Also correct, now the commercial part of it can be carried by anyone.

Wrong. Again. See you in September on that. IF, and I think it will, DirecTV passes on the NFL's power play, VAST numbers won't get the signal. Not all cable bandits will bite, DISH is a non-starter, and the internet can't get it done, which is why YouTube didn't buy it in the first place.

BTW, the WSJ (which is serious research, not like google) had a good (paywalled, like all serious research) article on ST and the new, higher price and lower availability last week. Serious scholarship.

No, I still do not think it is worth it, if I did not get if for free, I would drop it, I would not even spend $10 in cash a month for it.

But you are paying for it right now. Your "gift cards" could be spent on other things.

But fine, Y O U decided its "not worth it" for Y O U. Fine. The vast majority disagree. You don't get to decide for everyone. And, thankfully, the vast majority have different tastes than you have. The cocksure idea that Y O U have figured out what everyone should/will be doing in three or four years is wearing thin.

Here is an idea. The next time you google up some statistic about linear TV, which is the same as the last 100 you have already posted, just hit delete. Especially when you try to extrapolate from it things the market analysts don't.