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When I had dish or DirecTV, their DVRs didn't record outside of their own system either.
With DISH or DIRECTV, most weren't as concerned about channels outside of what they were getting from DISH or DIRECTV. With OTT, most seem to have at least two different sources of content; sometimes more.
 
With DISH or DIRECTV, most weren't as concerned about channels outside of what they were getting from DISH or DIRECTV. With OTT, most seem to have at least two different sources of content; sometimes more.
I can only speak for myself, but I subscribed to Netflix, Amazon, ect when I had sat. The same as I do now.

I never expected the say DVR to record anything outside of what sat service I subbed to.

Nor have I met a single person going ott that expects the DVR to record anything outside of what that service offers. So I don't think cord cutters are concerned about channels outside of what they are getting either.

I definitely don't see them as any more concerned as a sat sub if they have gone that route.

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With DISH or DIRECTV, most weren't as concerned about channels outside of what they were getting from DISH or DIRECTV. With OTT, most seem to have at least two different sources of content; sometimes more.
I wouldn't say most OTT people have more than one live TV service (in 2+ years, I never did). I think some YouTube TV subscribers subscribe to Philo because it offers a good complement of most of the more popular missing channels. But I rarely hear of people with PS Vue, Sling, or DirecTV Now having more than one live TV service; to get the extra channels they want, they just upgrade to higher tiers, just like cable/sat. Though a lot of people do switch around and overlap services while trying them out (no contracts!).
 
Another advantage of a cloud DVR worth mentioning is that you never have to worry about local utility (power or internet) or service outages interfering with recordings. During the worldwide YouTube outage on Tuesday, I had three important shows set to record that night, and I was able to watch all of them this week without any problems (none of them had been rebroadcast yet).
In those hopefully not too frequent events, there's usually a fallback in the network's own website. Of course your Internet is perhaps just as likely to go out as your pay TV service.
And obviously with a cloud DVR, you never have to worry about an HDD failure wiping out all your recorded content.
Never is a very long time. You do have to worry about the recording expiring and that will happen at some point with OTT where an HD (or other equipment failure) doesn't happen on a schedule. I've had one DVR hard drive failure in 14 years and I've got recordings going back to the Bejing Olympics ten years ago.
 
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In those hopefully not too frequent events, there's usually a fallback in the network's own website. Of course your Internet is perhaps just as likely to go out as your pay TV service..

It obviously varies from area to area, but my internet is solid, which is one reason I felt comfortable enough to drop sat in the first place.

If your internet has frequent outages, options besides Ott are probably better.

I will say, national outages like this past week (which didn't impact my viewing as I wasn't watching live TV at the time) aside, I've had far fewer dropouts with YouTube and Vue than I ever had with sat in any similar period of time.

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Never is a very long time. You do have to worry about the recording expiring and that will happen at some point with OTT where an HD (or other equipment failure) doesn't happen on a schedule. I've had one DVR hard drive failure in 14 years and I've got recordings going back to the Bejing Olympics ten years ago.

A show expiring is anticipated and can be planned for, because it's on a schedule. As a cable sub, I've had my DVR set-top unexpectedly fail and need to be replaced on more than one occasion, losing all recorded content in the process. Obviously, your experience is very different. But for me, the cloud DVR safely recording and storing my shows for at least 9 months (the expiration date is extended for any re-airing on any channel) regardless of TV service, internet, or power failure is an advantage.
 
If your internet has frequent outages, options besides Ott are probably better.
I think this may be one of my biggest beefs about the OTT proponent posts: that they don't offer the caveats along with the praise. Most everyone knows how conventional pay TV works (and doesn't work) but familiarity with OTT is still really in its infancy. Some of the "features" aren't exactly the same as they remember (yet) and functionality may be missing entirely that most have come to take for granted.
 
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I think this may be one of my biggest beefs about the OTT proponent posts: that they don't offer the caveats along with the praise. Most everyone knows how conventional pay TV works (and doesn't work) but familiarity with OTT is still really in its infancy. Some of the "features" aren't exactly the same as they remember (yet) and functionality may be missing entirely that most have come to take for granted.

My youngest brother works at Best But and was trying to convince my parents to do Roku with YTTV. He didn't understand that they are in their 60's and want the "traditional" TV experience with a DVR and a "clicker" remote.
 
I think this may be one of my biggest beefs about the OTT proponent posts: that they don't offer the caveats along with the praise. Most everyone knows how conventional pay TV works (and doesn't work) but familiarity with OTT is still really in its infancy. Some of the "features" aren't exactly the same as they remember (yet) and functionality may be missing entirely that most have come to take for granted.

My biggest beef is when opinions offered in these threads aren't based on actual first-hand user experience of the new services under discussion.
 
I think this may be one of my biggest beefs about the OTT proponent posts: that they don't offer the caveats along with the praise. Most everyone knows how conventional pay TV works (and doesn't work) but familiarity with OTT is still really in its infancy. Some of the "features" aren't exactly the same as they remember (yet) and functionality may be missing entirely that most have come to take for granted.
I'm not sure I follow, most of us in these threads have said its what works for us, and may not for everyone.

You personally seem to have a bias, with to be honest, little real world knowledge of it how it works, against this method. I hope these threads are educational for everyone.
 
We use the DVR for about everything we watch .
The hopper rewinds and fast forwards are first class and the reason we have dish.

Probably half our viewing is prime or Netflix and their rewind/fast forward are clunky even with our fiber optic line.

The day the streamers match satellite will be the day we switch everything to streaming.


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Agreed. Just tried YTTV. The guide has a long way to go! If I added all the Roku channels I'd need to get what we have on Dish, the total cost would be equivalent ($88). A Hopper and a Joey is so much faster to maneuver around.

Now if Roku could have one guide that merged channels (from 3 or 4 apps), and looked somewhat like a Dish guide, and allowed 3 or 4 favorites lists, I might actually switch. There 2 or 3 second buffering to change channels would need to decrease too.

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I use Dish + YTTV and it works well for my daughter and myself. When she's here, we use the Dish equipment for DVR movies and Netflix. When she's in her bedroom or at her mom's house, she uses YTTV and Netflix on her Fire Stick and phone. I like using both services to save money and have a dual TV experience.
 
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We use the DVR for about everything we watch .
The hopper rewinds and fast forwards are first class and the reason we have dish.

Probably half our viewing is prime or Netflix and their rewind/fast forward are clunky even with our fiber optic line.

The day the streamers match satellite will be the day we switch everything to streaming.


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I actually prefer Netflix's Fast Forward to Dish's 15x FF on the CUI. If Dish brought back 4x FF, it would be a different story. Mostly, I use 30 Second skip on Dish because it is more predicable. Tivo's FF is still the king in my book.
 
I think this may be one of my biggest beefs about the OTT proponent posts: that they don't offer the caveats along with the praise. Most everyone knows how conventional pay TV works (and doesn't work) but familiarity with OTT is still really in its infancy. Some of the "features" aren't exactly the same as they remember (yet) and functionality may be missing entirely that most have come to take for granted.

Really can;t understand why you would have any beefs,all of the services OTT offers have a free trial period and no contracts to get out of,it seems pretty cut and dried to me.
If the user or their family doesn't like it,they can stay with satellite or cable,apps are not for everyone.
 
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Agreed. Just tried YTTV. The guide has a long way to go! If I added all the Roku channels I'd need to get what we have on Dish, the total cost would be equivalent ($88). A Hopper and a Joey is so much faster to maneuver around.

Now if Roku could have one guide that merged channels (from 3 or 4 apps), and looked somewhat like a Dish guide, and allowed 3 or 4 favorites lists, I might actually switch. There 2 or 3 second buffering to change channels would need to decrease too.

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Sorry it's not working out for you,apps are not for everyone.Peace in the family is more important.Good Luck!
 
It amazes me how some people come here to criticize Sling, YouTube TV and other internet type tv services and it’s obvious they have never even done a free trial with any of these services.
I have learned that some people think we are liars when we like these services better than cable or satellite.
Another thing I’ve learned is that these people can’t wait for the day when prices rise and will not be a bargain anymore.
Truth is YouTube TV has enhanced my tv watching.
I wouldn’t go back to cable or satellite now because it has ruined me. Ruined me not by the price (I know I know it’s going to catch up with other paid tv services, haha,
Please send me a link where cable sat will have a price freeze for the next several years) but because of the experience. Easy to use and pq is equal to Directv and hands down better than Dish and cable.

Well actually it's not my fault,it's Charter Cable's,I mean they went bankrupt and then they had to reorganize,and they needed more internet subscribers.
Heck we are almost 5 miles out from the city,never thought I would live to see the day when cable would come out here with high speed broadband internet,1080p HDTV service,and VoIP phone service.But I like it!:biggrin
 
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Really can;t understand why you would have any beefs,all of the services OTT offers have a free trial period and no contracts to get out of,it seems pretty cut and dried to me.
The gods of FTA will strike me down, but TV isn't about finding available content, it is about watching the content you want to watch.

Not being in a contract means that they can change things (including price) at their pleasure as much as it means that you can walk away.
 
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