Coach wins game 100-0, gets fired

[Skyhi]

Guys, I am feeling a bit confused about what I wrote.

First, I thought it was a bit over-the-top to fire the guy.

Then, I read into some of this stuff more closely. I am now starting to realize what some of you meant.

However, I am still not going to go along with the idea of treating the other team like heroes for not giving up.

Saying it? Fine in my book.

Getting to go on daytime talk-shows, being invited to a Mavericks game? Not so fine in my book.

I don't think they should be treated like heroes.

Having said that, daytime talk shows want one thing: ratings. If the networks think the story will sell, then they'll show it.

Mark Cuban felt bad for these girls, so he did something nice for them (or he, too, wanted publicity). Do they "deserve" it? Probably not. Does it bother me? No.

 

[Rangers484]

If this coach could not tell 5 minutes or less into the game his team was going to cruise to an easy victory he is not that good of a coach.

I am sure the prior games played by the losing team had horrific scores and their reputation must have preceded them in this game.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

If this coach could not tell 5 minutes or less into the game his team was going to cruise to an easy victory he is not that good of a coach.

I am sure the prior games played by the losing team had horrific scores and their reputation must have preceded them in this game.

Dallas Academy
December 11, 2008 at Yavneh Academy L 6 - 55
January 6, 2009 * at Waxahachie Prepatory Academy L 4 - 66
January 9, 2009 * vs Fairhill L 7 - 49
January 13, 2009 * at The Covenant School L 0 - 100

The Covenant School
November 6, 2008 at Shelton W 56 - 28
November 20, 2008 vs Ursuline
at Highland Park Tournament
L 39 - 48
November 21, 2008 vs Hockaday
at Highland Park Tournament
W 49 - 42
November 22, 2008 at Terrell
at Highland Park Tournament
L 33 - 79
December 2, 2008 vs Episcopal School of Dallas W 58 - 48
December 15, 2008 at Carrollton Prince of Peace Christian L 47 - 51
January 13, 2009 * vs Dallas Academy W 100 - 0
January 20, 2009 at Waxahachie Prepatory Academy W 77 - 27

 

[Rangers484]

Dallas Academy
December 11, 2008 at Yavneh Academy L 6 - 55
January 6, 2009 * at Waxahachie Prepatory Academy L 4 - 66
January 9, 2009 * vs Fairhill L 7 - 49
January 13, 2009 * at The Covenant School L 0 - 100

The Covenant School
November 6, 2008 at Shelton W 56 - 28
November 20, 2008 vs Ursuline
at Highland Park Tournament
L 39 - 48
November 21, 2008 vs Hockaday
at Highland Park Tournament
W 49 - 42
November 22, 2008 at Terrell
at Highland Park Tournament
L 33 - 79
December 2, 2008 vs Episcopal School of Dallas W 58 - 48
December 15, 2008 at Carrollton Prince of Peace Christian L 47 - 51
January 13, 2009 * vs Dallas Academy W 100 - 0
January 20, 2009 at Waxahachie Prepatory Academy W 77 - 27

Thanks for gathering the records of both teams.

It is safe to say the 25-0 score in the first half was more than enough cushion...

The Covenant coach is bush league.

 

[SandraC]

The coach should not have necessarily been fired for the 100-0 win (although I would not have complained if he was), but he should definitely be fired because of how he acted after the game. The total lack of contrition means there would be more embarassments in the future.

Between my nieces and nephews I attend probably 10-15 youth sports games per week, all the way up to high school. I've seen many games where it is clear very early that one team is just clearly dominant over the other. Almost always the coaches 'get it right', and call off the dogs at a reasonable time.

This means not pressing in basketball, taking your time to get off a good shot, playing your subs liberally, etc. Not constantly taking the extra base in baseball, not stealing, pitching a guy who doesn't pitch very often, etc. And in soccer telling their players they can only score off a header, taking a player or two off the field, etc.

For professional athletes I believe there is no such thing at running up the score. Any coach who is stupid enough to do it will be on the other side at some point, and what goes around comes around.

But in youth sports you have to be smart enough to manage the game properly. The team that won 100-0 learned NOTHING by winning the game in that fashion. The kids got nothing from it athletically, as I'm sure all the teams the play aren't that bad, and REALLY got nothing from it emotionally. All they learned was how to be bad sports.


Sandra

 

[CeltsHD]

Yes, but...

I googled a couple of links about this whole thing, and some people feel that this is a case of going too far with being politically correct.

I'm not saying the coach of the team that scored 100 points should be coach of the year, but I just don't think losing his job is the way to treat this whole situation.

Criticize him if you want, call him a bad coach, but the idea of losing your job just strikes me in an odd way.

Who's calling him a bad coach?

I know I didn't, but that's beside the point anyway.

Hell, he could be Red Auerbach and I wouldn't care.

Bad coach? don't know, don't care

Bad person? you betcha!

 

[Skyhi]

But in youth sports you have to be smart enough to manage the game properly. The team that won 100-0 learned NOTHING by winning the game in that fashion. The kids got nothing from it atheltically, as I'm sure all the teams the play aren't that bad, and REALLY got nothing from it emotionally. All they learned was how to be bad sports.


Sandra

Very well said.

 

[SandraC]

Dallas Academy
December 11, 2008 at Yavneh Academy L 6 - 55
January 6, 2009 * at Waxahachie Prepatory Academy L 4 - 66
January 9, 2009 * vs Fairhill L 7 - 49
January 13, 2009 * at The Covenant School L 0 - 100

It must be said that the Dallas team should perhaps consider not fielding a team if they're going to be totally overmatched in every single game. Or entering a different league if that's possible.

Does not make the Covenant coach right, but sometimes you have to seed your team properly.


Sandra

 

[SabresRule]

It must be said that the Dallas team should perhaps consider not fielding a team if they're going to be totally overmatched in every single game. Or entering a different league if that's possible.

In a few articles about this whole thing, one thing I noticed is that the Dallas team hasn't won a game in four years.

Not piling on- just responding to what Sandra said.

 

[SandraC]

The Covenant School
November 6, 2008 at Shelton W 56 - 28
November 20, 2008 vs Ursuline
at Highland Park Tournament
L 39 - 48
November 21, 2008 vs Hockaday
at Highland Park Tournament
W 49 - 42
November 22, 2008 at Terrell
at Highland Park Tournament
L 33 - 79
December 2, 2008 vs Episcopal School of Dallas W 58 - 48
December 15, 2008 at Carrollton Prince of Peace Christian L 47 - 51
January 13, 2009 * vs Dallas Academy W 100 - 0
January 20, 2009 at Waxahachie Prepatory Academy W 77 - 27

Nobody here probably knows any details of Covenant's 79-33 loss in November. If the team they played was good enough to beat them by 70 or 80 points in that game and chose not to, that would speak even further to the former Covenant coach's lack of judgement.


Sandra

 

[SandraC]

In a few articles about this whole thing, one thing I noticed is that the Dallas team hasn't won a game in four years.

Not piling on- just responding to what Sandra said.

Not winning a game and being thoroughly overmatched right from the jump ball in every single game are two different things. It's not like the Detroit Lions were losing by four touchdowns at the end of the first quarter in every game, they just couldn't find a way to win a game. Sounds like that's the football equivalent of what's happening here.

If the Dallas team cannot compete in this league, though, perhaps they shouldn't.


Sandra

 

[tws101]

Winning Coach Canned After 100-0 Blowout - BIG 12 Sports News Story - WISN Milwaukee

I actually agree with his philosophy of not apologizing.

What am I supposed to do if I coach a hockey team and win 12-0? "We don't deserve to win?"

I'm all for sportsmanship, but I don't agree with the concpet of "forefeit the game and make a bad team feel like winners when they don't deserve it."

Suppose I'm the coach of a basketball team and we're playing a bad team and have to win the last game of the season.

They're up by 25 points in the second half, and I call off the dogs, and then my team would blow the lead and lose.

If that happened, supporters of the team would want me fired on the spot, while others would say I showed class and dignity by not putting it in better players.

This makes me sick, IMO.

I have always been a firm believer in Herm Edwards' philosophy of "You play to win the game!"

If you lose 100-0- no offense, but you need to play better. I'm sick of some of this stupidity that festers in our country!

If winning is not important why keep score?

Since winning is important, win by as much as you can to demoralize that team for next year and all other teams you play that heard the story. The game is psychological as well as physical.

 

[HD MM]

Not winning a game and being thoroughly overmatched right from the jump ball in every single game are two different things. It's not like the Detroit Lions were losing by four touchdowns at the end of the first quarter in every game, they just couldn't find a way to win a game. Sounds like that's the football equivalent of what's happening here.

If the Dallas team cannot compete in this league, though, perhaps they shouldn't.


Sandra

I'm assuming the division in which they are in is determined by school size. It just so happens this school is MUCH smaller than most small schools. I read this school, specializing in kids with leaning disabilities only have 20 in total attendance!

And maybe winning isn't everything to them. Maybe they just like the opportunity to play the game and learn. They shouldn't have to abandon the league because they can't compete.

 

[SabresRule]

I read this school, specializing in kids with leaning disabilities only have 20 in total attendance!

Oh my god- now I feel like a complete jerk for what I said on this topic!

 

[salsadancer7]

If winning is not important why keep score?

Since winning is important, win by as much as you can to demoralize that team for next year and all other teams you play that heard the story. The game is psychological as well as physical.

What planet are you from?

The whole idea for sports in the junior high/high school level is to physically participate in extra -curricular activities, show sportsmanship and LEARN THE CONCEPT OF TEAM PLAY......NOT to "win by as much as you can to demoralize that team for next year and all other teams you play that heard the story".

 

[CeltsHD]

Oh my god- now I feel like a complete jerk for what I said on this topic!

Dude don't worry about it.

At least you NOW see that it was wrong. :up

 

[BobMurdoch]

The main question should be WHY a high school filled with two dozen Special Needs Students gets thrown into the woodchipper against a normal high school team with the best athletes pulled form your typical 1000 student school.....

It's like a little league team going against the pros..... They shouldn't have been put in that situation to begin with....

 

[HD MM]

What planet are you from?

The whole idea for sports in the junior high/high school level is to physically participate in extra -curricular activities, show sportsmanship and LEARN THE CONCEPT OF TEAM PLAY......NOT to "win by as much as you can to demoralize that team for next year and all other teams you play that heard the story".

LOL! OMG!

This is High School, not professional sports!!!!!

 

[cosmo_kramer]

I'm assuming the division in which they are in is determined by school size. It just so happens this school is MUCH smaller than most small schools. I read this school, specializing in kids with leaning disabilities only have 20 in total attendance!

And maybe winning isn't everything to them. Maybe they just like the opportunity to play the game and learn. They shouldn't have to abandon the league because they can't compete.

His (Dallas Academy Athletic Director Jeremy Civello) school's boys team remains in the six-team TAPPS district. In fact, he was quick to point out that his boys, with a little extra motivation, beat Covenant, 50-38, immediately after the 100-0 girls game.

Then again, the boys team has about 120 students to choose from. There are about 20 girls in the high school. Some on the eight-girl team had never played before and will never play again.

Looks like their gameplan was to reach 100 points:

"They are really good," Civello said. "Their point guard is terrific. This is what it came down to in the second half: steal at half court and layup. Steal and layup. Steal and layup. It was a layup drill. They finally eased up when they got to 100 with about four minutes left." Covenant's point guard had 48 points.

Dallas Academy coach sees a win in girls' 100-0 loss | Dallas/Fort Worth High School Sports | HS GameTime.com | Dallas Academy

 

[SandraC]

If winning is not important why keep score?

Since winning is important, win by as much as you can to demoralize that team for next year and all other teams you play that heard the story. The game is psychological as well as physical.

Should the winning team and their fans stand there at the end of the game and make fun of the other team that just got destroyed? That would really demoralize them.

Perhaps they should also send someone out into the parking lot during the game and let the air out of the tires of everyone from the other team, to really ruin their day.

Nothing like some good psychological fun.


Sandra